the big WILD topic part IV

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last post in part III was from Atheist:

Jeff · Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2002 2:02 am Post subject:

Hi Pilot! Well i could do that lol..not so many ppl in the west do meditation or selfhypnosis in their lds..would be for sure a fresh subject!
I really was full with fire and passion in those days..
I once did a test..I heared that when u dont sleep your body makes more serotonin and slow waves like delta and theta, after 48 hours..so hypnosis should be more easy then..
I played a game 4 48 hours nonstop..and after that did selfhypnosis tests and indeed it was way easier then ever...not so easy as in a dream but still it really enhanced my selfhypnosis control..yogi style..
I did several experiments (this was one of them) to c and find out how important serotonin is in trance and meditation.

Yes it makes a difference when u start young with meditation..then your neural networks can easely make connections and learn things..plus the extra years u got in training...
Hmmm, well the older u get the more experienced u get with leaving all those extra signals out..not giving them attention...so the older u get, the more routined u are with this..so..well it would not be a disadvantage and i dont expect really disadvantages or draw backs from age..(unless extreme old maybe)

smile

Good luck!

ben7 · Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2002 6:00 pm Post subject:

should i change the period of time after I wake up due to my akward sleep patterns. On weekdays I sleep like 6 to 5 hours, and hardly remember dreams. On the weekends I only remember dreams if I have slept around 11-12 hours. So should i not wake up after 6 hours, but after 7? or 8?, or shuold i even wake up earlier. thanks, Ben

Pilot · Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2002 7:36 pm Post subject:

Jeff: I guess that's reassuring, thanks.

ben7, as the sleep cycle progresses, the REM periods become longer each turn. WBTB and WILD are most effective after a few hours of sleep. I'm not sure what you're asking though...

ty2k55 · Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 3:22 am Post subject:

Lately it seems i have been progressing in my wild attempts, but after a certain point everything seems to stop. i can get to the point where my whole body is numb, after that i never go further. one guy told me to try and imagine a rose or flame in my throat but that technique didnt work for me. there was one time where i heard a strange sound. today i had a strange experince though, after laying for about an hour i think i just went into a dream and didnt realize. i dreamt i had the vibrations but then my mom woke me. i got mad at her because i was getting so close to having a wild. when i was walking around i just felt like i was still in bed and i was like oh this is a dream and i flew around then i woke up and i was still laying trying to have a wild. now that dream may seem like an LD but i dont think it was, i think it was a false LD becuase i didnt seem in control like i did with the one i had acouple months ago. so i geuss what im asking is how do i get from the numb feeling to the dream, i geuss i did it today but i must have not been thinking becuase it was just like a normal dream.
sorry if this is confusing, im alittle confused myself

Iiyama

Ok, first of all, I´m a beginner with LD - practically.
I´ve read "Stephen LaBerges: EWLD" through like 14 times - but I´ve been to lazy to seriously trying to LD.

Well, this morning I tried to WILD. After a few minutes I got sleep paralysis, pretty uncomfortable IMO. And so it went on for a couple of minutes and then I couldn´t take it no more.

My little-brother had a horrible accident 1 month ago, and I were afraid to see him as a hallucination.

So my question is; Am I close to LD? Should I just "continue on" when I´m in this state?

KingBlizzy · Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2002 5:31 pm Post subject:

Well, I tried my first WILD attempt with little (or so I thought) success. I woke up naturally after about 5 hours of sleep. I layed in bed on my back doing the counting thing. I just kept counting. I started to feel the sensations across my body. Then I heard the noises, the first one startled me and took me completely out of it. I concentrated again, and reached deeper stages. I kept hearing noises, some of which I think were happening in real life (I live in a dorm, could have been janitors outside early cleaning.) I heard the sound of keys over and over, so maybe that was my brain... I heard sounds I've never heard before too, those were definitely my brain. Eventually my body felt the vibrations, and it felt like I was tensing up. My back started to burn and I felt pulled in different directions. I even noticed my eyelids were moving, and my fingers were moving a little. Yet I could not go into a LD. Eventually I gave up and went to sleep. I woke up thinking I didn't remember any dreams (or didnt have any) but 5 minutes ago after drinking some french vanilla I remembered 2 dreams. And one of them I definitely knew I was dreaming (I drove my car around smashing it up knowing I could go back to the house and find it again.) I don't think it was lucid, but definitely aware. On a side note, I have had a LD before (only once, and it was great, flying around the countryside.) Anyways, I guess I'll keep trying, adapting more tips from this forum. If anyone has any pointers or shared experiences, please tell wink

ben7 · Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2002 8:14 pm Post subject:

Iiyama: where did you buy that book, and what meathod did u use? u said u got Sleep paralysis in a few minutes, what method did u use for this? thanks, ben

aydira · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 3:20 am Post subject:

I don't know if I'm just being paranoid here but is it possible to accidentaly have an OBE while trying to do a WILD? I used to get sleep paralysis and try to leave my body in my more adventurous days because I heard that that was a good time to try that. (It never worked, probably because I was too scared.) Is causing a WILD like intentional sleep paralysis? If I spontaniously get sleep paralysis on my way to sleep (which has happened) could I have a WILD from there?

Shade · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:29 pm Post subject:

Hmmmm.... Does anyone have any advice on techniques from getting out of the WILD symptoms, and actually into the lucid dream? I don't seem to have any problem when they happen without me trying to have them, but when I consciously force/wait for a WILD, I can't get any further.

I spent a few hours this morning when I woke up trying to have a WILD, I got to the beginnings of it maybe six times, but I kept being startled out of it by the noises people were making getting ready, or I couldnt keep my thoughts blank. Eventually everyone left, and I managed to get into it for more than a couple seconds. I would drift off and "see" dreams, but not actually be in them, I could still feel my body. This time I saw images on the backs of my eyelids too, usually I only get the noise, it was hundreds of signposts zooming towards me like a high speed windows screensaver. I tried focusing on one of the signs, and it sort of hovered blurrily in my vision before continuing on its way. Then I "lost" everything, and was left with one sign flickering slowly in the corner of my vision, and a slight buzz in my ear. By this point I gave up for the day.

What are you supposed to do? Do you just "let go"? Do you try to pull yourself away? I tried both and neither really worked. Was I just holding on to being aware too hard, and not letting myself fall asleep?

Jeff · Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2002 3:31 pm Post subject:

shade when u got at your closest from getting a ld by wild..then just let go of your conscious a little more like try each time when u are at your deepest wild level..10 % less consciousness..and then just be patience..
So do what u normal do then when u cant get deeper try each time a 10% extra loss of consciousness...just let go and be patience..dont use thoughts anymore just be patience from that moment of..ok? smile

Remared · Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2002 7:16 am Post subject:

Is it effective to do WILD after a day of sleep deprivation without
sleeping for 6 hours first?I have just went pass a day without
sleep and I am thinking of trying the WILD method where music is used.

Jeff · Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2002 11:53 am Post subject:

Yes I think so..but one disadvantage, there is a chance u might fall a sleep while u try! wink

Iiyama · Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2003 12:15 pm Post subject: A question regarding WILD´s.

I would be very thankful if you guys could answer my question.

This night (and many ones before) I tried to WILD. I did exactly as LaBerge wrote in his book. After a while my body starts to tingle, I get noises in my ear and my heart is pounding like crazy. For every second that goes I feel that I´m about to enter the dream-state more and more.

The problem is; I can´t get any further! I don´t see any images at all in front of my "eyes". What am I doing wrong?

Jeff · Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2003 4:00 pm Post subject:

It is very simple...when u are stuck at a certain point in wild and u want to get any further u have to let go a little more of your consciousness...
Its like a pair of scales...when u want that one of them is going doing make the other one less heavy..in wild that means u have to let go of your consciousness a bit more so your body and brain fall a little deeper in sleep and u enter your dream stage while u are doing a wild!

Try this subtile or u lose your consciousness totally and u fall a sleep...
Try each time when u are stuck in a wild to let go of a 10% more consciousness then the time before that..
PPE is important here big time..Practising..being Patient and Experience!

Good luck

cheesy

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