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Azurescen
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 Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe because we are so much used to judging.We judge,our parents judge,whole society judges and we just cant imagine being free of it.
Maybe because we are scared to take responsibility for our actions and lifes.
Maybe because we hope for some higher instance that will make "all fair" for all we suffer from "others".
Maybe because when we are put in relative world(born) we forget about being "on the other side" but its still deep inside us. |
Maybe judging is the part of god within ourselves, but who actually listens to the judging? I think we are afraid of being judged because we are to lazy to change anything, and these are mainly things that need to be changed. If we fear them so bad then they must mean something to us.
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Kartikeya
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I have read many books as well as books that were written before the church arrived in England in the UK. When many englishman were pagans. If you have read much about the church and christanity you may know that they instill fear and joy to control people lives, like a mind hypnosis. Many of the ideals and ideas and practices of the pagans were far more in depth than that of christanity or similiar god religions.
I am don't mean to offend anyone who is a chrsitian or other such closely related religion, but to be open-minded you need see past whatever you believe. I am not a pagan believer nor chrsitian, but to see something from both good and bad angles you have a clearer view of what you are looking at, in the same way you do with reality. |
When I spoke abut these subjects I always speak in principle. It means that I speak - not about some specific religion but about religion as specific method to acquire knowledge. So it is not same - religion, and for what some specific religion was used through history from unscrupulous people.
Spirituality in general is very complex and subtle subject and there are thousands main and thousands of secondary points to be understand. It is like huge mosaic. There are different spiritual paths according to different people in the world. And its give different result, however all of them are made or given with intention that living being find ultimate Absolute Truth.
One question is what the best method in principle is and another question is what the best method is for some specific person or group of persons. Even if there is the best method in principle, it doesn’t mean that it can be applied for everyone in some specific time, place, and circumstances. People are different and they have different inclinations, so methods should be, too.
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samzen05
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| I mean, the Theory of Chaos and the Relativity are also men-made hypothesis, should I distrust them? Both weren't proved so far, and chances are it will take as long to prove them as it will take to prove God. |
your right, there is no reason why you shouldn't distrust the theory of chaos and relativity, but if you do, you can say the same thing about god. so whichever way you look with an open-mind you see the reality of what you can find evidence for.
I am sorry if I have offended anyone but it is hard to make a dynamic opinion within a collective of static minds.
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whispa
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In my opinion, people create Gods out of a need to have a higher being they can respect, obey and feel protected by. They can't accept that there might not be any reason or point to their existence.
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| Seriously, people who grow up fearing God don't have true faith because they never made a choice. Their strings are just being pulled in order to make them act accordingly to their religion's morals. |
I agree. It's worrying that so many children are being brought up this way and not questioning things more.
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Snape
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Each must choose his own path. In my view, it's not so much the existence of a god or prophet which is the important and all deciding factor, it is the belief in that god. If I follow a religion which allows me to pursue a fulfilling life, does it matter whether the god of my religion exists or not?
There is one thing that concerns me with religion - the promise of an afterlife for those who adhere to the rules of religion. Religion should be followed for the benefit of the society, not for personal benefit and the security of the ego. It concerns me that many people may follow certain religions simply because, deep down, they are scared to die.
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whitemirror
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| I have just heard the most intelligent arguement for religion ever. In essence, how is logic different from religion? If both are man-made ideals, what makes logic more valid than religion? You guys are so f*cking smart.
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whitemirror
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| This is not good guys. The fundamental ideals that I base my life around have just collapsed. I need a super-intelligent person to correct the imbalance before I crash!
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Azurescen
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| Id just be grateful to be alive. If anything and you just stop existing, why not live a fun filled life. Yesterday, I was able to have fun walking down the street just noticing the clouds, I dont know why I havent been able to do that in a long time...
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Andycakes
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maybe whitemirror you should just belive in nothing...wait no thats impossible...
anyways i sorta mean umm...ever heard of nihilism? theres a topic about it around here somewhere
or just pick what ever you think is the better lie and belive in it to make you happy?((<the reason for religion/logic?idk)) does it really matter if its right or not ? imho no way...you're just gonna die anyways right.
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mirra
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how in the world can any of u compare religion to logic saying they are both man-made..thats just stupid..
logic isn't a thing..its a frame a mind..a thought process..
religion is a thing that can be attributed as man-made or whatever made...
soon ill post my battle against the great bible and religion etc..i need some time on my hands..
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samzen05
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how in the world can any of u compare religion to logic saying they are both man-made..thats just stupid..
logic isn't a thing..its a frame a mind..a thought process..
religion is a thing that can be attributed as man-made or whatever made... |
If you had read the previous statements you might understand. You say logic isn't a thing, whereas religion is something.
If do note that religion is a thing what thing is it ?
As for me I don't know this thing of religion, normally a thing is defined as something physical that someone can grasp, if your thinking of a mental thing that someone can grasp, there is no difference between logic and religion.
When you were 2 or younger could you grasp either concepts, meaning logic or religion, I would expect the answer to be no as what intelligience, did you have at that age?
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dreamusic
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logic isn't a thing..its a frame a mind..a thought process..
religion is a thing that can be attributed as man-made or whatever made...
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Religion isn't a thing...its a state of being...a life process...
Of course I am refering to Religion in the true sense of the word and not any counterfeit sense which one can easily apply to it, knowingly or unknowingly. It is a way of viewing the world, a way of living, an experience and knowledge of yourSelf. Unfortunately most people, religious and non-religious, have only come to know a counterfeit sense and mistake it for the true, never able to experience the divine and mundane concurrently.
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One Armed Scissor
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: Re: agree to disagree |
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| “All gods are homemade, and it is we who pull their strings, and so, give them the power to pull ours.” - Aldous Huxley |
So without us there are no gods?
Personaly I dont know what to think about that quote.
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Draginvry
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logic isn't a thing.. |
If logic isn't a thing then...what exactly is it? Obviously it is someTHING, otherwise you wouldn't be able to refer to it to begin with.
In fact, logic is an abstract concept which has just as much as a fanatical following as any other concept. In this way, logic and religion aren't so different.
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Bruno
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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how in the world can any of u compare religion to logic saying they are both man-made..thats just stupid..
logic isn't a thing..its a frame a mind..a thought process..
religion is a thing that can be attributed as man-made or whatever made... |
Mirra, you forget something here. Logics itself is a belief framework most similar to religion. It developed from misticism and magic, and has the exact same dogmas as any shamanic tribe would have. Modern complex science (again I could quote the Theory of Chaos, but the best example I could give is the Quantum Mechanics) doesn't work on a logical base anymore for Logics was scientifically proven inaccurate—the same initial state doesn't always produce the same outcomes, hence the development of the Theory of Errors.
Of course we can't call Logics 'religion', but the same flaws you point in any religion—dogmatism, belief in a higher truth, the fact that it's men-made and men-controlling—are present in Logics too.
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