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Tomas
The lucid dreamer
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| I am definitely against late abortions in most normal circumstanses, but i am totally for abortions in the early stages of pregnancy, as the baby has then not developed enough to even have basic brain functions. |
One question, is somebody with brain damage less of a person than you? Is somebody with a disability less of a person than you? Is somebody half your size less of a person than you? Is Albert Einstein MORE of a person, than somebody who does not know the theory of relativity? |
I am not saying that at all. But i do know that certain birth defects usually decrease the quality of life for this person. But this really depends on what kind of defect and how serious it is. Lets say that this person will be bound to a wheelchair for his/her short life being in pain 24/7 and not being able to communicate, then i personally think that it will be less suffering for this baby to be aborted.
I personally would not live my life this way and i would perform an abortion if i was a woman in this situation.
But as i said, i am not for late abortion unless there is a special circumstance.
By the way, i am also for Euthanasia in some cases, but that is a different story..
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Jack
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Only answer is - depends.So many circumstances can be counted in that decision is strictly personal and should be left to person- not to law,authorities or any social or moral ideas.
Help,councelling,advice is what people considering abortion should be getting.Last they need is telling them they are sinners,or wrong, or any negatives actually.Give them support and there will be no need to argue about abortion at all.
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The HB
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I am definitely against late abortions in most normal circumstanses, but i am totally for abortions in the early stages of pregnancy, as the baby has then not developed enough to even have basic brain functions. |
One question, is somebody with brain damage less of a person than you? Is somebody with a disability less of a person than you? Is somebody half your size less of a person than you? Is Albert Einstein MORE of a person, than somebody who does not know the theory of relativity? |
I am not saying that at all. But i do know that certain birth defects usually decrease the quality of life for this person. But this really depends on what kind of defect and how serious it is. Lets say that this person will be bound to a wheelchair for his/her short life being in pain 24/7 and not being able to communicate, then i personally think that it will be less suffering for this baby to be aborted.
I personally would not live my life this way and i would perform an abortion if i was a woman in this situation.
But as i said, i am not for late abortion unless there is a special circumstance.
By the way, i am also for Euthanasia in some cases, but that is a different story.. |
Have you even taken into account the babies that SURVIVE the abortion?
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Huey
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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My opinion  ?
Abortion is a matter between a woman and her god (or inner conscious, or spirit guide, or pixie, or leprechaun, or whatever). No one else can exercise their right over that.
I'll leave it at that.
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Petter
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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My opinion ?
Abortion is a matter between a woman and her god (or inner conscious, or spirit guide, or pixie, or leprechaun, or whatever). No one else can exercise their right over that.
I'll leave it at that. |
Really well put , all support 
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Tomas
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Have you even taken into account the babies that SURVIVE the abortion? |
The chance of that pretty damn slim to non existant. This was/is more common in places where abortion was/is illegal and when the procedure is not done by educated surgeon.
There is always a small risk when surgery is involved. People have died or gotten their life ruined by routine visit to the dentist as well, but that is pretty rare as well.
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The HB
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you even taken into account the babies that SURVIVE the abortion? |
The chance of that pretty damn slim to non existant. This was/is more common in places where abortion was/is illegal and when the procedure is not done by educated surgeon.
There is always a small risk when surgery is involved. People have died or gotten their life ruined by routine visit to the dentist as well, but that is pretty rare as well. |
You ever seen the statistics? About 5 babies a month survive the abortion and are in a very bad condition, but they cannot be killed after birth. I think Abortion is a cruel thing that should be stopped. Permanently.
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Tomas
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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5 babies out of how many successfull abortions?
The fact is that this basicly never happens when it is done by a good surgeon. I have not heard of such cases here..
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The HB
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| Actually, it DOES happen with good surgeons.
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Andycakes
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..im pretty sure theres lots of ruitine operations that go wrong(we prolly couldn't have any surgery ever if we stopped because it doesn't work sometimes..), AND that still doesn't at all mean that a women's uterus has anything to do with us...
... like others have said, the women should be left to make the choice not some politicians, government, hebrewB or society.
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Jack
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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exchange "women" for "couples"
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Shaper
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| exchange "women" for "couples" |
Agreed, couples should make a choice like this together 
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The HB
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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..im pretty sure theres lots of ruitine operations that go wrong(we prolly couldn't have any surgery ever if we stopped because it doesn't work sometimes..), AND that still doesn't at all mean that a women's uterus has anything to do with us...
... like others have said, the women should be left to make the choice not some politicians, government, hebrewB or society. |
Erm... why did you specifically mention me in that liwst of people? Don't you mean, any objectioners in general?
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DayLight
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| I think research should be done to find out when a fetus becomes conscious of the fact that he/she is alive, and abortion should be illegal after that point.
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Tomas
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| I think research should be done to find out when a fetus becomes conscious of the fact that he/she is alive, and abortion should be illegal after that point. |
I thought this had already been done? And this is why abortion is legal in most countries until a after a certain period of time in the pregnancy. From what i have heard, the fetus does not even have basic brain functions in the early stage of pregnancy. It is really nothing more than a piece of meat at that point.
I personally think banning early pregnancy abortion as silly as banning masturbation. When you masturbate you kill plenty of spermcells that could turn into a living human being as well.
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