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Basilus West Cat of Ulthar

Posts: 5272 Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Last Visit: 01 May 2012 Location: At the foot of the Pyrenees |
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Draginvry wrote: |
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Anyway, I'll try to read all the links everybody pointed to ... cause I've still not understood the whole affair.
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Iluminada Dreamer of Peace...

Age: 44 Posts: 2446 Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Last Visit: 08 Aug 2012 Location: Massachusetts USA |
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Well... I understand that you can take it as an insult if somebody calls this mad, but a lot of things can be called madness.
Religion, fandom, some political opinions...
So I don't care much, as long as people leave me alone. |
I agree with you Lanina. How's that saying go? "Live and Let Live".
Anyways, how far back would you say 'shifting' dates back to? I used to be a fan of Native American story telling and books. I hate to say this again, but if I understood correctly now, it took place during their retreats alot.
To me alot of times it was brought on by the things they were taking to get to that mind frame. Other stories did mention the conscious individual feeling at one with an animal.
I've really never heard of it as a self acceptance thing or anyone being content with it. I've worked with mental health and sometimes you have to wonder about these things. I'm not saying people are crazy. I'm more saying that people are labeling them crazy when some of them are just having a hard time accepting.
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Lanina Wolf and Dreamer

Age: 23 Posts: 616 Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Last Visit: 20 Sep 2010 Location: Stockholm, Sweden. |
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I "shift" very rarely.
Think about an "animal-person" like this:
Human----------------------------Other Specie
Normally, I'm like this
Human------------I---------------Wolf
Sometimes I'm more human, sometimes more wolf.
But when a "mental shift" occurs, it's something like this:
Human--------------------------I-Wolf
When I was a child, I liked to howl and to pretend to be different animals. I never had a problem accepting that the meat I ate to dinner had been a living animal earlier, unlike some kids I know.
When secret "friends' clubs" were popular when I was about 8-9, I was leader of the "wolf club". We had a hide-out, and we howled if we needed help. The other children howled because it sounded fun, but I took it very seriously.
I was really bored of "mother-father-child"-games, because I thought it was unintresting to pretend to be just a human. I wanted to be the family's pet.
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Aikho The Forum Bear

Age: 23 Posts: 593 Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Last Visit: 27 Jan 2008 Location: In your pants! |
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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humans are boring, i was allways the pet too
Never had problems with meat either.
not even raw meat.. which most others do
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Wyvern DREAMSTUCK

Age: 23 Posts: 1913 Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Last Visit: 20 May 2013 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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I definately have the animal side but since figuring out the voices were a sickness I've been trying to deny and ignore this too but I can't. I still maintain the animal urges and feels at times but luckily no random attacks like in grade 3 and 6.
Maybe I'd have more control if I just let the feelings out.
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Tggtt *le Timeout Master

Posts: 599 Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Last Visit: 13 May 2013 Location: Otterland |
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Thanks kenay for helping me.. I was somewhat alone and you helped to make topic flowing!
But, I didn't get any revolting about being human like some of you did, That's what I'm fearing, hope you understand....
Please don't misunderstand me!(I'm talkin to the ones who came here lately)
(I tryied not to hurt them, I dunno if you understand it)
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Lanina Wolf and Dreamer

Age: 23 Posts: 616 Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Last Visit: 20 Sep 2010 Location: Stockholm, Sweden. |
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe I'd have more control if I just let the feelings out. |
Actually, I think that is true. Before, I tried to supress it and this made me be mostly human, but sometimes I acted really wierd. I could try to catch things with my teeth (think of a dog playing with sticks etc) or lay on the ground in room full of people.
But when I started to use lucid dreams to turn into a wolf in them, and doing things to express this side (when I was home alone, of course), I gained more control.
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Tggtt *le Timeout Master

Posts: 599 Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Last Visit: 13 May 2013 Location: Otterland |
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| Wyvern wrote: |
Maybe I'd have more control if I just let the feelings out. |
when I was home alone, of course. |
I was going to say that....
I can control myself! I didn't let myself to get into madness! And I fear the possibility to get crazy about this!
Almost no one wondered if I was crazy, because I have always been the one who say people that they think wrong at all (I was saying about them being fooled about normal things, like government and media but not about this!)
My nick has nothing to do w this topic!!!
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Aikho The Forum Bear

Age: 23 Posts: 593 Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Last Visit: 27 Jan 2008 Location: In your pants! |
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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it amuses me that such a small number of persons have noticed you acting strange, i myself do what i can to ceep it back until im alone.. some day last week i belive i even looked for a place to hibernate, i was walking in the forest about 2km away from my school and my friends (which i was walking with) took off for a shorter route, i ended up away from the ski track, deep in the woods, looking between some small hills crawling around to find the best way to make it ready..
again, about the number of people noticing strange behavior with me, but i know my mother is starting to have a hitch about something, and my sister is getting closer to the meaning of therianthrope (i have deleted it from my nick on MSN of one soul purpouse) heh..
i dont really think we have to be one and that the other being (in my case a bear) is blended with my human side, it has its own way of making me feel like something else no matter what i do.. (must be making no sense now)
i recently had some odd daydream-like experiences, the only problem about them was that i was not daydreaming, but i was 100% wake, all of a sudden i saw the life of a bear cub unfold, but from its own eyes, not third person, i saw glimts of happenings that is usual for a bear cub, like feeding, play fighting, walking and stuff like that. it were like they happend right infront of my eyes, but it was just dimm enough that i could see what happend infront of me. i want it to happen again, it was very different from daydreaming, i got a beautiful feeling while watching it.
i could brag on for pages, but i dont like to type too much
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Tggtt *le Timeout Master

Posts: 599 Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Last Visit: 13 May 2013 Location: Otterland |
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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That must be horrible, being discovered by so many people.
But I never got soo strange, and nothing to worry, my 2 friends, that noticed something strange, they think I was joking, because I do many jokes about anything
At least, 2 months later, I won a betting that I could get throught a avenue with eyes closed!! (Don't do it yourself, please!)
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Lanina Wolf and Dreamer

Age: 23 Posts: 616 Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Last Visit: 20 Sep 2010 Location: Stockholm, Sweden. |
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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That must be horrible, being discovered by so many people. |
Actually, no. It just has to be the right people. Most don't take it very seriously, so they don't do anything.
I think it's more horrible if you try to hide it with any means, and then give up and tell somebody in an overly dramatic way.
I think the swedish word "lagom" could explain what I think of this.
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Tggtt *le Timeout Master

Posts: 599 Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Last Visit: 13 May 2013 Location: Otterland |
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:49 am Post subject: |
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putting that in your MSN nick is dramatic...
What do you think could happen denying it? I mean, I don't think you should get yourself fully acceptive! That's no sense to let all your feelings out!
And what about your parents thinking you are crazy?
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Draginvry Living on Hado

Age: 31 Posts: 529 Joined: 20 Oct 2003 Last Visit: 05 Dec 2011
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:56 am Post subject: |
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And what about your parents thinking you are crazy? |
Everyone is crazy.
It's just that most people haven't realized this simple truth.
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Wyvern DREAMSTUCK

Age: 23 Posts: 1913 Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Last Visit: 20 May 2013 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: |
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I'll never tell my parents about this the same way I won't tell them I'm bisexual and the wrong gender. I've already told (well showed)my mom that I'm schizophrenic. I think that's enough.
If I were to tell my parents about shifting, they'd think I was delusional. Not that I can. The voices forbid me to do a lot of things. But that's another issue.
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Lanina Wolf and Dreamer

Age: 23 Posts: 616 Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Last Visit: 20 Sep 2010 Location: Stockholm, Sweden. |
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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What do you think could happen denying it? I mean, I don't think you should get yourself fully acceptive! That's no sense to let all your feelings out!
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I don't think that I would feel well if I had to always act human. Of course, I have to be careful, but just denying is no good.
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