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Basilus West
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draginvry wrote:
Sanity is overrated.

lachtraan

Anyway, I'll try to read all the links everybody pointed to ... cause I've still not understood the whole affair. shy2

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Iluminada
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lanina wrote:
Well... I understand that you can take it as an insult if somebody calls this mad, but a lot of things can be called madness.
Religion, fandom, some political opinions...
So I don't care much, as long as people leave me alone.


I agree with you Lanina. How's that saying go? "Live and Let Live".

Anyways, how far back would you say 'shifting' dates back to? I used to be a fan of Native American story telling and books. I hate to say this again, but if I understood correctly now, it took place during their retreats alot.

To me alot of times it was brought on by the things they were taking to get to that mind frame. Other stories did mention the conscious individual feeling at one with an animal.

I've really never heard of it as a self acceptance thing or anyone being content with it. I've worked with mental health and sometimes you have to wonder about these things. I'm not saying people are crazy. I'm more saying that people are labeling them crazy when some of them are just having a hard time accepting.

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Lanina
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I "shift" very rarely.

Think about an "animal-person" like this:
Human----------------------------Other Specie

Normally, I'm like this
Human------------I---------------Wolf

Sometimes I'm more human, sometimes more wolf.
But when a "mental shift" occurs, it's something like this:
Human--------------------------I-Wolf

When I was a child, I liked to howl and to pretend to be different animals. I never had a problem accepting that the meat I ate to dinner had been a living animal earlier, unlike some kids I know.
When secret "friends' clubs" were popular when I was about 8-9, I was leader of the "wolf club". We had a hide-out, and we howled if we needed help. The other children howled because it sounded fun, but I took it very seriously.

I was really bored of "mother-father-child"-games, because I thought it was unintresting to pretend to be just a human. I wanted to be the family's pet. tounge2

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Aikho
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

humans are boring, i was allways the pet too

Never had problems with meat either.
not even raw meat.. which most others do eh

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Wyvern
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I definately have the animal side but since figuring out the voices were a sickness I've been trying to deny and ignore this too but I can't. I still maintain the animal urges and feels at times but luckily no random attacks like in grade 3 and 6.

Maybe I'd have more control if I just let the feelings out.

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Tggtt
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks kenay for helping me.. I was somewhat alone and you helped to make topic flowing!

But, I didn't get any revolting about being human like some of you did, That's what I'm fearing, hope you understand....

Please don't misunderstand me!(I'm talkin to the ones who came here lately)

(I tryied not to hurt them, I dunno if you understand it)

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Lanina
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wyvern wrote:

Maybe I'd have more control if I just let the feelings out.


Actually, I think that is true. Before, I tried to supress it and this made me be mostly human, but sometimes I acted really wierd. I could try to catch things with my teeth (think of a dog playing with sticks etc) or lay on the ground in room full of people.
But when I started to use lucid dreams to turn into a wolf in them, and doing things to express this side (when I was home alone, of course), I gained more control.

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Tggtt
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lanina wrote:
Wyvern wrote:

Maybe I'd have more control if I just let the feelings out.

when I was home alone, of course.

I was going to say that....

I can control myself! I didn't let myself to get into madness! And I fear the possibility to get crazy about this!

Almost no one wondered if I was crazy, because I have always been the one who say people that they think wrong at all (I was saying about them being fooled about normal things, like government and media but not about this!)

My nick has nothing to do w this topic!!!

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Aikho
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it amuses me that such a small number of persons have noticed you acting strange, i myself do what i can to ceep it back until im alone.. some day last week i belive i even looked for a place to hibernate, i was walking in the forest about 2km away from my school and my friends (which i was walking with) took off for a shorter route, i ended up away from the ski track, deep in the woods, looking between some small hills crawling around to find the best way to make it ready..

again, about the number of people noticing strange behavior with me, but i know my mother is starting to have a hitch about something, and my sister is getting closer to the meaning of therianthrope (i have deleted it from my nick on MSN of one soul purpouse) heh..

i dont really think we have to be one and that the other being (in my case a bear) is blended with my human side, it has its own way of making me feel like something else no matter what i do.. (must be making no sense now)

i recently had some odd daydream-like experiences, the only problem about them was that i was not daydreaming, but i was 100% wake, all of a sudden i saw the life of a bear cub unfold, but from its own eyes, not third person, i saw glimts of happenings that is usual for a bear cub, like feeding, play fighting, walking and stuff like that. it were like they happend right infront of my eyes, but it was just dimm enough that i could see what happend infront of me. i want it to happen again, it was very different from daydreaming, i got a beautiful feeling while watching it.

i could brag on for pages, but i dont like to type too much

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Tggtt
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eek2
That must be horrible, being discovered by so many people.
But I never got soo strange, and nothing to worry, my 2 friends, that noticed something strange, they think I was joking, because I do many jokes about anything lach1

At least, 2 months later, I won a betting that I could get throught a avenue with eyes closed!! lach1 lach1 (Don't do it yourself, please!)

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Lanina
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tggtt wrote:
eek2
That must be horrible, being discovered by so many people.


Actually, no. It just has to be the right people. Most don't take it very seriously, so they don't do anything.
I think it's more horrible if you try to hide it with any means, and then give up and tell somebody in an overly dramatic way.
I think the swedish word "lagom" could explain what I think of this.

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Tggtt
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

putting that in your MSN nick is dramatic...

What do you think could happen denying it? I mean, I don't think you should get yourself fully acceptive! That's no sense to let all your feelings out!

And what about your parents thinking you are crazy?

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Draginvry
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tggtt wrote:

And what about your parents thinking you are crazy?


Everyone is crazy.

It's just that most people haven't realized this simple truth.

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Wyvern
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll never tell my parents about this the same way I won't tell them I'm bisexual and the wrong gender. I've already told (well showed)my mom that I'm schizophrenic. I think that's enough.

If I were to tell my parents about shifting, they'd think I was delusional. Not that I can. The voices forbid me to do a lot of things. But that's another issue.

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Lanina
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tggtt wrote:

What do you think could happen denying it? I mean, I don't think you should get yourself fully acceptive! That's no sense to let all your feelings out!


I don't think that I would feel well if I had to always act human. Of course, I have to be careful, but just denying is no good.

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