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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry fir the off-topic question,but what is the difference between cigars and cigarettes?I smoke pre-made cigarettes(camel,prince,etc) not pot.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't know what difference there is in tobacco cultivation and production, the only ones I know are the obvious one, like cigarettes are filtered, cigars are not, cigarettes are smaller, etc.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think cigarettes are also more 'processed' than cigars; more chemicals added, etc. I also seem to remember hearing that good cigars are hand made, so they don't have all those bi-products and chemicals in them...of course, that doesn't make them a healthy alternative to cigarettes

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somethign i have been wondering about.

Was the indians peace pipe dangerous ?

Is tobacco plant itself harmfull ?

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: A smokers dream Reply with quote

[mod edit]moved to lounge from tools and merged into the quitting smoking topic[/mod edit]

Hey all,

Recently i quit smoking. I have tried cold turkey many times in the past, all of which failed. So this time i thought 'why not try the patches'.

So all patched up a cigarette free i quit. The second night i was on the patches i noticed a distinct improvment in the clarity of my dreams and my ability to recall them. Normally i only remember one dream a night.

On thinking further about why the sudden increase in my ability i theorised that maybe the patches had some influence. So i changed my routine and started to place a fresh patch on just before i go to sleep and Bingo! the patches work.

I don't know whether this is purely a unique result worth something only to myself, but i thought it's worth a mention.

And for me personally and EXTRA reason to give up smoking. any thoughts?

Cheers,

Mo

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petter wrote:
Somethign i have been wondering about.

Was the indians peace pipe dangerous ?

Is tobacco plant itself harmfull ?


It's interesting that you mentioned this smile
I once asked a man about this at one of the stores around here which sells mostly First Nation (Indian) souvenirs, tobacco and other herbs, etc. He told me that Tobacco was only smoked at important cerimonies by a select few people. If someone wanted to just have a smoke, with no special cerimony or anything going on, they'd smoke what is called K'nic K'nic (I don't think I've spelled that correctly shy2 ), which is made of leaves from fruit plants (blueberries, bear berries), willow bark, and other things like that. The reason is because tobacco was a scared plant, only to be smoked at an important event.
So, I don' know if it is any less harmful (I would think so since they didn't add any chemicals to it), however it was smoked much less than people smoke cigarettes today.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im sure we had that topic somwhere allready.You`re not only one experiencing such effects.But it seems it works better with people who dont smoke- if you`re smoker and use patches the change is not so significiant.
good luck there:)

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack wrote:
if you`re smoker and use patches the change is not so significiant.


nervous Jack, I beg to differ. I was a smoker for three years and recently quit, using the patch, as some of you know. The vividness of my dreams for the first few nights doubled, as did my recall.

m0d0 wrote:
I don't know whether this is purely a unique result worth something only to myself,


Not at all. Before the forum rules changed, we were alowwed to talk about any substance we wanted, as long as it pertained to dreaming(will this thread stay...i wonder...). There were many threads on nicotine patches. It seems to have a GREAT effect on dreaming, but watch out, because although nicotine in itself is a fairly safe chemical(it is all the other stuff they put in cigarettes that kill people, not nicotine), it is the addictive chemical, so non-smokers who use the patch may become addicted. Watch out for yourslef. Know your body.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try those patches. Stick one over each eye and ye can't find your cigs!

My stepmother is using the Nicorette Inhalator to stop smoking. As far as I know she doesn't smoke and hasn't since before christmas. While I don't think it's working as a cure to the adiction, at least others don't have to put up with the smell or passive smoking.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Josh Redstone wrote:
Petter wrote:
Somethign i have been wondering about.

Was the indians peace pipe dangerous ?

Is tobacco plant itself harmfull ?


It's interesting that you mentioned this smile
I once asked a man about this at one of the stores around here which sells mostly First Nation (Indian) souvenirs, tobacco and other herbs, etc. He told me that Tobacco was only smoked at important cerimonies by a select few people. If someone wanted to just have a smoke, with no special cerimony or anything going on, they'd smoke what is called K'nic K'nic (I don't think I've spelled that correctly shy2 ), which is made of leaves from fruit plants (blueberries, bear berries), willow bark, and other things like that. The reason is because tobacco was a scared plant, only to be smoked at an important event.
So, I don' know if it is any less harmful (I would think so since they didn't add any chemicals to it), however it was smoked much less than people smoke cigarettes today.


Ok.

But if for instanse there were lots off wars and peace.

hehe , the leader would HAVE TO bring peace cause he was addicted grin

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes,we do agree.You have quit before applying the patches.All fine:)
I meant people who still smoke and even then use patches dreamwise.
Good luck:)

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petter wrote:
Somethign i have been wondering about.

Was the indians peace pipe dangerous ?

Is tobacco plant itself harmfull ?

It sure aint healthy even in a peace pipe. But i think the dangers of smoking these days are severely overrated. It is definitely a very harmful addiction if you smoke everyday like most people do these days. One of the things that is most hyped up these days are passive smoking, which is mostly just bullshit propaganda from anti smokers. grrr They go as far as saying it is harmful to stand next to someone who smokes outside in the free! I feel sorry for the people who actually believe that crap.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyways, at the start of the book, the guy encourages you to TAKE UP smoking, and apparently, by the end of the book, you'll feel like you don't need to smoke. This guy calls it a "de-brainwashing"


Well seeing as it takes a long time for you to actual feel physical withdrawl symptoms if you dont have a ciggarette, it seems pretty pointless he isnt accomplishing anything except gettin paid off his book.

I smoke and I wish you luck on trying to quit. I have been toying with the idea lately basically because I feel I am becoming more and more dependant. But I really enjoy a nice ciggarette every now and then, I dont smoke that *** out of packs but I roll my own with premium tobacco. Those government issued cancer sticks taste like crap and they are worse for you. The tobacco I smoke isnt harmless but it isnt as bad.

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It sure aint healthy even in a peace pipe.


If your refering to the tobacco that the native Americans would have been smoking, it actually isnt that bad. Its not healthy because no smoke in your lungs is healthy, but its not carcinogenic. All the really bad health problems are caused by all the fertilizers, pesticides and man made chemicals that go into ciggarettes. Thats what causes cancer.

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