The lucky naturals

It could be a genetic thing. Me, my mom, sister, and both brothers have naturally had LD’s so it could be that.

there probably is some level of ability that is part of what you are born with.

But other factors are also important:

  1. learned skills (correct application of techniques that work for you)
  2. interest (how much you care about dreaming and lucid dreaming)
  3. beliefs (negative beliefs will affect your efforts)

We dream a lot every night. Yet many ‘naturals’ don’t report that many LDs, or demonstrate any significant differences in experience or understanding of LDs from non-naturals. So I think we should be careful about using this category.

Not sure if this is true, but even if natural talent was based on certain personality traits such as those, how exactly would you “copy” that?

Might have somethin to do with creativity, might have somethin to do with chemical levels in the brain serotinin and melotonin and whatever.

I dont know but as long as I get a few DILDs a month I’m happy.

Even as a kid I always remembered and thought about my dreams. Maybe natural LDers are just natural dreamers, never had a problem remembering dreams and always studying them.

If your one of the lucky chosen to have natural Lucid Dream’s you are by far the luckiest on the earth.

I’m pretty sure 5-10% of the population are natural LDers. Everyone in my family is pretty creative and we all have wide imaginations. Well, except my dad but I’ve never heard of him getting an LD before. I think creativity might have something to do with it!

As for good concentration, no! I have ADD and my brother has ADHD. I don’t think concentration has anything to do with it.

Theres maybe not such a thing as a natural LDers but there are natural dreamers.

If your the type of person who heard about LDing but dont even remember your dreams and can barely remember 1 dream a week then your probably goin to have more trouble with LDing than people who remember multiple dreams a night and for some reason or another always have.

I beleive you are correct, that some people are predisposed to LDing naturally.

My current partner has always had a fear that one day she will be dreaming a dream so real that she’ll never wake up, and that while she’s stuck in her dream, her body will wither away and die. Ironically, she is an incredibly adept natural LDer. All her life shes been doing it, even before she knew what the term for it was. But everytime she realises shes dreaming, she gets scared and tells herself to wake up.

I’ve tried to help her get past the fear but she doesnt want to hear anything of it. I’ve tried telling her what a wonderful gift she has, that she should develop it and use it to her advantage but she wants nothing to do with it. She sees it as a detachment from reality that you could get addicted to or lost in (even though the longest dream youd even have is about an hour long).

For the record, she’s been doing yoga and medidation once every 2-3 days for about 7 or 8 years. And she’s one of these “every day should be lived like its your last” kinds of people that thinks if you dont try something new every day of your life, its a wasted day.

I am quite jealous of the gift that she denies herself :sad:

That’s great Alex - I hope she can get past her fears.
There just has to be ppl who LD naturally, otherwise all of those people who don’t seem to be able ot LD or only can after years of practice wouldn’t exist. But I realized it was a tough question to answer.
Does natural mean something that’s just in your genes, or the way your brain functions based on habits you grew up with? I don’t think this question can be answered very effectively without extensive research on the subject. Although I still think it’s a fasinating idea.[/i]

Maybe the naturals are natural because of ethenticity. I mean if you think about it…in some areas of the world people have totally different minds pretty much. I havent met a single mexican without good work ethic. All the Chinese I know are either good at art and horrible in school or vise versa.

Sorry if the horrible sterotpyes offend anyone but…I`m serious.

Let`s say that Mexicans were heavier sleepers etc because there werent as many dinosaurs to bother them back in the old days…IDK.

LOL slap me if you want.
I just came up with that cause I needed something to throw in.

There are certain cultures that do embrace the dreamworld more than others, but I dont think culture has much to do with it these days.

I know native american indians, native australians and mayans/aztecs were all great dreamers, it was a part of their culture, but of course there are people from all races who have lucid dreams.

It’s an interesting exemple cause it may show a case of negative induction technique. As you know, fear is a sort of negative desire. Thus it means that she’s motivated for having LD’s. Most probably, if she wasn’t afraid of such a dream, she wouldn’t have LD’s.

Another explanation would be that, as she had many natural LD’s without knowing what it was, she could fear that one of them would be so real that she would be stuck in it. But if it were the case, she would understand easily by talking with other LD’ers that it’s an ill-founded idea. That’s the reason why I suppose that the first explanation is better.

A third explanation is that she has read some book which made her believe strongly this theory.

Hmmm… Anyway, sorry for these accounts of bazaar psychology. :content:

I think it hase to do with awareness levels
i sometimes see myself as this object analizing evry thing going in spirals ive never really done anymothod oly this special method waking up for 30-60 min and going back to sleep for 80 i get lucid dreams if i do thatyet i know im constant analizing people and myself it has become a problem for me ive even whent to tal kto some one aobut it

I would like to add i lost my reply about my awareness problem im a natural lucid dreamer i would like to add to this is that i ofen analize myself and obervate al land evrything around me exsept the things that are not inportment for me :confused: i would like to add to this is that i ofen pick things on my own body like scratses spots nipping hair bags and stuff i think its allgo to do with the awareness problem but that problem makes me more anable to lucid dream its like an natural way of feeling good because analizing evrything around me makes me go mad

i think its just her amgination fears if you are natural Lucid dreamer you don’t fear them i believe because it feels good well maby i could be if you have them evry night i don;'t but i do have them now and agai nwith out anything i sleep little i think allot

Ive been able to LD since 6 or 7 without knowing what i was doing. I’ve been researching LD techniques for about 3 weeks i can usually have an LD every night if not more. I’ve always been very creative and artistic and somewhat fantasy dominated.

Ive had several LDs naturally 2 till i decided to google for the topic and end up here ^^
Anyway i think its not essentially a “hard-coded” trait it’s prolly also affected by your environment, your mental status and such.

There used to be a thread somewhere where people would give out a boatload of info about them, like mental disorders, diet, sleep schedule, and alot of others, and how many LD’s they have per month or week. The author was going to graph the correlation between these behaviors and personality traits and LD fequency, but I don’t think any connecetions were made. Either that, or he abandoned it. :lol:

Daniel’s right, here’s the thread. Anyone feels like making the graphics for us? That would help in this discussion. A lot! :content:

I also propose we bring back this thread and try to collect more data before graphing anything. I will try and graph some of the things that seem to have the most correlation with LD’s after we have gotten much more info, but I am quite bad at math, so if anyone else that is better would like to try, I invite them to do so.:smile: