# SIGN # New exquisite Mayan discovery in guatemala!!! read!

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By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science Writer
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WASHINGTON - Archaeologist William Saturno said Tuesday he was awe-struck when he uncovered a Maya mural not seen for nearly two millennia. Discovered at the San Bartolo site in Guatemala, the mural covers the west wall of a room attached to a pyramid, Saturno said at a briefing.

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In brilliant color, the mural tells the Maya story of creation, he said. It was painted about 100 B.C., but later covered when the room was filled in.

“It could have been painted yesterday,” Saturno said in a briefing organized by the National Geographic Society, which supported his work and will detail the finding in the January issue of its magazine.

Saturno, of the University of New Hampshire, first reported discovery of the site in 2002 when he stopped to rest in the jungle, taking shelter in an old trench that turned out to be part of the ancient room.

Since then the west and north walls have been uncovered. The room’s other walls had been demolished and used for fill, he said. The west wall was the centerpiece of the room, Saturno said.

The mural includes four deities, which are variations of the same figure, the son of the corn god.

As Saturno explained it: The first deity stands in the water and offers a fish, establishing the watery underworld. The second stands on the ground and sacrifices a deer, establishing the land. The third floats in the air, offering a turkey, establishing the sky. The fourth stands in a field of flowers, the food of gods, establishing paradise.

Another section shows the corn god crowning himself king upon a wooden scaffold, and the final section shows a historic coronation of a Maya king.

Some of the writing can be understood, Saturno said, but much of it is so old it is hard to decipher.

Nearby, archaeologists led by Guatemalan Monica Pellecer Alecio found the oldest known Maya royal burial, from around 150 B.C. Excavating beneath a small pyramid, that team found a burial complex that included ceramic vessels and the bones of a man, with a jade plaque — the symbol of Maya royalty — on his chest.


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Oldest Intact Maya Mural Found in Guatemala

D.L. Parsell
National Geographic News

Updated March 22, 2002
Archaeologist William Saturno traveled to northeastern Guatemala last year to explore Maya ruins and search for ancient carved monuments. In part to escape the broiling tropical sun, he slipped into a tunnel that had been dug by looters.

The tunnel led to a small building buried beneath a Maya pyramid. When Saturno beamed a flashlight at an interior wall, he was stunned at the sight before him: an ancient Maya mural in remarkably pristine condition.

Scholars say the mural, which dates from A.D. 100, is one of the most important finds in Maya archaeology in recent decades both for its artistic merit and because of the insight it will provide into the Preclassic period of the Maya.

The mural adds a significant piece of evidence to a growing body of archaeological discoveries that is forcing archaeologists and art historians to change their earlier views of Preclassic Maya culture [see related sidebar].

The mural was found at a Maya ceremonial site called San Bartolo, in Guatemala’s Petén lowlands. Petén was heavily occupied by Maya in the Preclassic period, which scholars date from about 2000 B.C. to A.D 250.

“This is an extraordinary find,” said Stephen Houston, a professor at Brigham Young University who is an expert on Maya archaeology and writing. “The parts of the mural that are visible show a complex iconography and rich palette that we barely suspected for that period.”

Hidden Treasure

Only a six-foot-wide (1.8-meter) section of the mural is exposed on one wall of the room. But a team of experts who visited the site last June believe the painting extends around the entire room.

The mural is unusually well preserved because it was covered with mud and then the room was sealed, said Saturno, a research associate at Harvard University’s Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology and a lecturer at the University of New Hampshire.

Although the Maya are known for their highly decorative ceramics and architecture, few Maya murals have been discovered. For one thing, the moist tropical climate works against the preservation of such delicate artwork.

Archaeologists have found traces of other early Maya wall paintings—notably at Tikal and Uaxactûn, both also in Guatemala. The San Bartolo mural, however, is far better preserved and more finely executed than those examples, according to Maya experts.

“We’re not yet certain this mural is the absolute oldest, but it’s certainly the oldest in this condition. For this early time period, there’s really nothing comparable,” said Saturno.

“This is a really beautiful work,” he said. “What’s going on in the mural, even from only the glimpse we have, it’s clear it will provide significant knowledge of Maya religion and Maya rulership in a period at the beginning of Classical Maya civilization.”

Familiar Theme

Saturno and David Stuart, a curator of Maya hieroglyphs at the Peabody museum and a senior lecturer in anthropology at Harvard, went to San Bartolo last June with art specialists and Guatemalan archaeologist Héctor Escobedo to assess the mural and develop a preliminary conservation plan. Looters in recent years had removed a large section of the wall below the mural, leaving parts of it with little support.

San Bartolo, a site previously unknown to archaeologists, covers about 12 acres (5 hectares). Its ruins include a large complex built around an 80-foot-tall (24-meter) pyramid that encompasses at least six earlier phases of construction. The building in which the mural was found was completed in the most recent phase of construction.

Full-time guards have been posted at the site, and Saturno will return next month with a field team to continue excavation and restoration activities.

Karl Taube, an archaeologist at the University of California-Riverside and an expert in ancient Mesoamerican history, religion, and art, said the part of the San Bartolo mural that’s visible appears to show the dressing of the maize god.

The deity—recognizable by his characteristic slanted eyes and flattened and elongated head—is surrounded by several other people. He gazes over his shoulder at two half-clothed maidens kneeling behind him.

The scene, Taube said, is part of a mythological story in which the maize god travels through the underworld and is eventually resurrected. Aspects of the corn god myth can be seen on many vases and other artwork from A.D. 600 to 800, he noted. It was very common during the Classic period because it plays into the Maya creation myth."

The San Bartolo mural, he added, is the first known depiction of this particular myth in narrative form.

Until now, Saturno said, examples of Maya artistry from about A.D 100. have been limited to ceramic pieces, stone monuments, and architectural sculptures, especially large stucco masks that adorned the facades of buildings. “Although we have individual artifacts, there [have been] few narratives or images of historical or mythological events,” he said.

A Maya “Masterpiece”

Several Maya experts who have seen the San Bartolo painting or photos of it said it is unexpectedly sophisticated for the period in which it was painted, which casts new light on artistic achievement in Preclassic Maya civilization.

“It points to the highly cosmopolitan and sophisticated nature of Maya society and culture during the Late Preclassic,” said Taube.

Norman Hammond, a professor of archaeology at Boston University who has excavated Preclassic Maya sites in Belize, called the San Bartolo mural “arguably the most significant find since Bonampak.”

The murals discovered at Bonampak, Mexico, in 1946 cover the walls and ceilings of three rooms with colorful depictions of Maya court ceremonies, battles, and daily life. They were painted about A.D. 790, not long before the Maya civilization collapsed in A.D. 900.

“Bonampak is the acme of Classic Maya mural painting, but the San Bartolo mural shows that this semi-naturalistic style was in existence half a millennium before,” said Hammond.

Freidel said the mural “is a masterpiece of Maya art, regardless of what else has been found.” For the paint to bond onto the plaster wall of the room discovered at San Bartolo, the artists had to work quickly and with great confidence while the plaster was still damp, he explained.

“Sometimes archaeologists have been able to detect drip lines on Preclassic painted monumental masks, where the artist was unable to control the flow of paint,” he said. “The San Bartolo mural was painted by a great master, with fine-line exquisite details all perfectly rendered.”

The discovery of the mural has generated much excitement among Maya scholars, who say they are eager to find out what lies behind the obscured panels.

“There appear to be many more scenes and figures behind the dirt and fill of the chamber,” said Houston, noting that the full significance of the mural will only become clear with fuller excavation.

The discovery, he added, “is rather like finding a new Maya book, and all of us are drooling to see what’s to come.”

from national geographic

no.
unless you are predisposed to believe it as a “sign”
these sorts of discoveries are rare - but they do happen.
guatemala 2004 was another discovery,
as well as palenque 2002, or honduras in 2001,
were the 1800’s discoveries of the mayan codecies signs?

people discover stuff all the time. not much of a sign there unless you are really looking for one. (and if you are, why not take survivor guatemala as a sign?)
sorry if i seem snub - but where is there anything lending credence to this ancient pagan ideology? im serious… point it out to me, i would like to learn more about this.

and… if the world is ending anyways… could all of you be as kind as to write me checks dated 01 jan 2013 for ammounts equal to the balance of your accounts?
who needs money when the world is at an end?
think of it as an act of faith.
what better way to prove that you know that what you say is going to happen - will happen?
short of that, this seems naught but another y2k/nostramus type of thing.

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I agree, I don’t believe it’s a sign of anything. People make new discoveries all the time, it’s just a coinsidence, I think.

I find that part incredibly interesting in relation to my dream I had recently [community.ld4all.com/t/plehrar-insert-sleep-to-continue/15905/1) first entry not too far from the bottom

Well, its not that the world is going to end. If you actually read anything about that date, the idea is that there will be a mass shift in consciousness. I think we simply wont need money or any of the tools that bring us weakness. Cause what would you really do if the world completely changed? would you cry about not being able to drive around, or use the telephone, i think too much of our society is already slaves of these tools. But Im probably not right so you dont have to believe me, its just a theory, like gravity.

As for is it a sign. Why not look at it as a sign. I mean if you take every single thing that happens in life for granit where are you going to grow. If something as simple as an archiologic discovery can cause someone to change their life, well than Im glad there is at least some hope in this world. I wish there were blaintent “signs” all over, but the fact is that nothing is ever out in the open. well nothing that really means anything. You have to study, very carefully, what is put in front of you and see it how you want.

I mean the world is whatever you make it to be, if you were to see jimi hendrix, or anyone, play a concert and put on an amaizing act by humping the guitar and playing with his teath still making sound you would probably want to see him do it every time. well, if he didn’t do it how you remembered, would you be dissappointed? or would you see what he is doing right now as a new part of the act, a more evolved act. well the fact is that no matter how amaizing the second act is, if you were completely set on seeing what you remembered you would most likely get bored.

This is how I look at what is going to happen, if nothing happens than great, the world as we know it will most likely last the same way for ever, with war and nuclear bombs and so much anger that even the most powerful nation isn’t safe. But what if. what if things did change, would you be disappointed? would you hate your life because of how different it turns out to be. what would you do?

now i am not saying to prepare for it, because well did england prepare for the dark ages, or the plague? i dont think so, and there were probably signs that people saw everyday, just like the signs people see today, or at least think they see. and well even if they had prepared what good would it of done, they had no idea what caused it to happen. just like we have no idea what will happen, there are theories, but the only way to know what to do is when something does happen, study it. look at what is happening, and for yourself, find answers.

the answers wont mean anything to anyone who doesn’t look for themselves, because if you see it as the end of the world than it will probably be the end of your world. and thus you probably wont care at all about what to do, or what you can do because everything is soo different than the way it was that you dont want to do anything. all I am saying is dont let this happen to you, dont become dependent on well anything other than your own mind, because what in this life have you owned that lasted you forever, and braught you any true joy. the joy comes from your mind, and how you see these objects, because the fact that people watch tv to feel happiness and sorrow says it best. would you even feel these emotions if you couldn’t imagine yourself in these situations, the joy you feel come from your mind, not the square box of moving pictures and sound.