the big WILD topic part IV

Dm7 · Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2003 5:30 am Post subject:

Imagine yourself sinking head first should help. It helps me to lose my consciousness and yet maintain my consciousness until I enter a dream world. When I WILD, I usually have to enter a dream world consciously. I have used spinning, rubbing, leaping into my dream, and sinking sensation techniques to help me to step in my dream world consciously.

The sinking sensation seems to work the best. Just imagine yourself sinking and don't be overwhelmed! It's a vivid sensation, I'm warning ya. Just be patient as the sinking sensation should help ur conscious to fall a bit so you can enter into a vivid dream world. Let me warn you one more thing. You might find yourself in ur LD so quickly that you might feel confused or distorted for a minute as your LD stabilizes itself. Just a 2 cents. Good luck!

http://www.ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1754&start=15 here's my dream journal... look for Jan. 3, 2003 entry... it talks in detail how I enter into my dream world consciously. It should help you to see what you need to expect. Again, I wish you the best luck of all! wink5

Tobeon · Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:00 pm Post subject: WILD First thing?

I went to bed last night at about 11:00 after reading "CountingSheep by Paul Martin" (a great book!) and after about 15 min I felt all the tell tale signs of the early stages of WILD including hypnotic images followed by the "vibrations" then i was dreaming i got up out of my bed and into a LD.. a very entertaining one i might add... colgate

i woke up abou 12:00 proving that at most i had been assleep for an hour.. now i thought that REM sleep only occurs after several hours of sleeping not the second you go to sleep.. it seemd as if i skiped the first few sleep stages. whats going on? confused

Tobeon · Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2003 5:45 pm Post subject: hypnogogic

i thought that this could have been a hypnogogic dream or whatever its called but it definatly seemed more to be a real dream that my other "hypnogogic dreams" (that bit inbetween falling assleep and being assleep) *shrugs*

Atheist · Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2003 10:43 pm Post subject:

WILD was intended to be used after already sleeping for several hours. This is because it's actually possible to go straight into a dream after waking up without having to go back through the first few stages. Some people claim to be able to do this before getting any sleep at all, but I don't believe them. wink

Topher28 · Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 8:33 pm Post subject: Distraction

I hope someone can help me...I try to WILD when going to bed, and again at 4 in the A.M. However, I have only gotten to the point where my feet feel like they're stretching and I go numb. I've never seen or heard anything strange though. Once I felt like I was floating. I think my problem is that I have to swallow often.(Weird?) I was just wondering if the best thing to do would be just not to worry about it? Or should I change positions? (I lie on my back) Do any of you constantly swallow while falling asleep? I'm thinking that it's just a problem because I made it one. But still, I feel like it's the thing that keeps distracting me and snapping me out of it.

Raging_Canadian · Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2003 11:32 pm Post subject:

I know what you're talking about. Your totally focused on your WILD then something kinda clicks and you have to swallow and it brings you back. If you are concentrated enough or distracted enough swallowing becomes, can't remember the right word for it, tip of my tongue. . . Oh well its like breathing you do it all day without thinking about it but you can concsiously control it. Just dont think about having to swallow and you should go about it automatically without thinking about it.

Imagine · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 6:05 am Post subject:

Lostboy, I get that swallowing thing too! And the worst thing is it only happens when I'm actually getting somewhere in my WILD, I start to feel that tingling and then suddenly I have to swallow. It happens so often that I started to think it was just in my mind, I decided to ignore it one time, it just wouldn't work. I'm glad to see someone else has the same problem. Well, not glad but ... ahem

And Atheist, I tried the WBTB method for almost a whole months with no results at all, all it did was disrupt my dream recall, no lucidity what so ever. Then one time around six PM I was really bored and had nothing better to do, tried a WILD and bam I had my first full blown lucid dream ever. It does work!

Kobrakai · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:48 pm Post subject:

I am not new to lucid dreaming, I have pretty much mastered MILD. But I have never tried a WILD, I always thought it would be to difficult as I develop mental blocks/negative thoughts quite easily and may find it hard to fall asleep.

Recently I haven't been able to do MILD because I fall asleep so easily when I wake up (using an alarm). Then I thought, if I fall asleep so easily maybe I should try WILD after all.

I know different things work for different people, but what is probably the easiest technique to use? I was thinking of trying to count myself to sleep but I'm worried that, whatever I try, I won't be able to fall asleep. It seems like such as easy idea, but then when I'm about to try it I just cannot see it working and try MILD instead (actually managing to stay awake during WBTB is now rare for me and I don't like to waste it)

Topher28 · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:38 pm Post subject:

I'm glad other people know what I mean about the swallowing....Thanks for replying. However, I'm Topher28, not Lostboy, but I guess we have the same picture. O well.

Imagine · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:38 pm Post subject:

Oh, sorry about that Topher, you two just have the same picture and I've got it stuck in my head now. I apologize.

saddleback · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:19 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I had the swallowing problem too for a few nights. I still haven't gotten WILD, but I'm getting closer.

What I did (and I don't have the swallowing problem anymore) was I focused on something like breathing or visuals.

It doesn't work to think about "not-swallowing"- it's like- "don't think about a polar bear!" This is a problem for all of us who do meditation. It's hard to make your thoughts go away, you have to focus on something else, I think.
Ian

Tobeon · Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2003 11:28 pm Post subject:

Pilot · Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:06 am Post subject:

About the swallowing problem, I think there is a way to make your mouth more dry. I haven't tried anything because I don't always have this problem, but maybe breathing through your mouth for a while would help..?

I've done a WBTB WILD using the counting method and after it worked I thought I could use this every time, but I was wrong. There is a certain condition in which the counting method has a high chance to work. If after lying down you notice your thoughts wondering, and you notice the occasional HI, that would be a perfect time to start counting, including the phrase I am dreaming every few numbers.

saddleback · Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:12 am Post subject: WILD progress?

I've been practicing WILD a little bit every day during morning naps, and I'd only gotten as far as the point where my eyes start to do their own thing- relax to a certain position and then move around quickly- with strange, vague, hypnagogic images. I haven't gotten to sleep paralysis yet.

But this morning was my record for getting relaxed and numb feeling, (counting is really helping me) and all of a sudden I was startled out of it when it felt like my senses got quickly turned way down- like I was blacking out almost, and it happened really suddenly.

I realize now I'd been sort of resisting letting myself go like this. This morning I let myself drop, it felt like. Does this happen to anybody? Does it sound like I'm on the right track? I'll try again in the morning.

Ian

saddleback · Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:18 am Post subject:

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