This is the converstion so far
By me - Do dream characters have seperate consciousness?
I’m a moderately frequent lucid dreamer and many times I’ll get a very high level lucid dream, in a high level lucid your awareness is super sharpened and your not dreamily headed like the low kind. In most low levels when I encounter people (dream characters) they are pretty monosyllabic and dopey, in my high levels I still get those DC’s but I also get the seemingly aware separate entity type of DC’s. These can hold detailed conversations and act in an extremely independent way and generally seem to have consciousness.
My question is, I can accept the recreation of reality happening in my brain, even if the detail is a little mind blowing but are these high level DC’s some sort of temporary split personality with my own brain? They are not just a play back or cutting together of memories, neither are they just an expected response program like the low level DC who just come out with one word answers. Could the high level DC’s be existing along side my own consciousness and use my own brain’s resources at the same time as I am?
Re: Do dream characters have seperate consciousness?
In a word, yes, probably. Multiple personality disorders have been documented, so it’s certainly possible.
Ever make up conversations? Well, I’d imagine it’s the same thing.
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I believe evrything and everyone in your dreams is a part of your subconscious and during lucid dreams you have easier access to your subconscious and all the info it normaly hides from you.
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in as much as meaning resides in the brain, one would expect the random dream to produce something to which the brain can assign some meaning … meaning at abstract, symbolic levels has a recursive and circular quality … some dreams are not completely random, imho: I’ve experienced a dream which assisted me in devising three chess strategies to beat my brother that subsequently worked … I worked through about 18 or 20 past games with him during my dream … a feat I cannot seem to accomplish while awake … I do not regard that as a random dream, but rather as putting my brain to good use while sleeping … a technique I use to solve problems on an as needed basis …
Me - Re: Do dream characters have seperate consciousness?
Ok if these high level DC’s are a type of multiple personality within my own brain existing along side the normal consciousness (me), then could they also lay down memory? Could I access that memory? Could a DC have greater control over my brains resources at a certain time if only for a short while than I have?
Re: Do dream characters have seperate consciousness?
you question should read do I have separate consciousness.
then you’d be getting a little closer to the answer you seek…
Me - Re: Do dream characters have seperate consciousness?
Ok then, they are me as we are both working on the same hardware so to speak, howver I don’t have any connection to them. If they do have almost complete access to the same brain and “might” be able to lay down memory then it seems to be completely seperate from my own memory.
Are people with a recognised Multiple personality disorders able to access the memory of another personality from the one that to the outside world is considered the dominant personality? If not naturally can this be accessed using other methods for example hypnosis?
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it’s all in YOUR head
Me - Re: Do dream characters have seperate consciousness?
As you say in MY head.
Are you then saying that they can lay memory down and that I could access this memory, as you say, in MY head? Or don’t you know?
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Let’s find out. Next time you’re lucid dreaming…lucidly log onto the computer and let one of them type to us. Then come back when you wake up and see what s/he had to say. Do you remember it?
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who elses head might it be?
who is they?
is/are they you?
the body carrying the brain has access to the brain’s memory, period.
god help those who cannot tell the difference between their dreams and reality … I think I’ve met a few and they are particularly dangerous on the inter states …
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i just read an interesting article saying (basically) that humans are hard-wired to assume agency in the objects around them, especially if they act in a non-random way. That means that if a rock followed you home from school, you would assume that it is a creature instead of an object. If someone in your dreams speaks to you, you assume that the person has a seperate consciousness and is therefore more than another aspect of yourself.
Me - Re: Do dream characters have seperate consciousness?
Quote >>Let’s find out. Next time you’re lucid dreaming…lucidly log onto the computer and let one of them type to us. Then come back when you wake up and see what s/he had to say. Do you remember it?<<
That sounds a little complex, letting them write down something on paper that I can’t see would do… although I can check my memory then and there, rather than waiting to wake.
Με||όώ you need to Mello, maybe its just your choice of font? I don’t think it is an outrageous question to ask “Do dream characters have separate consciousness?” If even for a short period.
Are you a frequent lucid dreamer? They might be an aspect in my mind but let be clear Με||όώ matey although I can read/predict what many dream characters will say do many are very different, switched on and I can predict their actions and can hold full conversation with facts that I don’t remember obtaining?
I assume my brain is creating the extremely real dream character and to do this it is accessing parts of my own memory that I can’t usually bring to mind. Basically alot of brain resources are being focused on some of these characters, is it that far fetched to think about them having a consciousness that runs parallel to my own in the same brain even for a short while?
is/are they you?
the body carrying the brain has access to the brain’s memory, period.<<< Hmmm I could think of at least a dozen examples where the brain of a body has had memory blocked and that memory that might have been laid down cannot be accessed
“god help those who cannot tell the difference between their dreams and reality.” Errrrr WTF?? How do you think Με||όώ that lucidity is achieved?
You seem to be attacking me for having an altered state of consciousness Mellow or do you just find my initial question not worthy of replying to? Why did you bother by the way?
Mistress Alt… I’m not trying to say that these high level dream characters are some spiritual beings or drifting ghostly mind. I assumed they are an aspect of me I’m just interested in the mechanics of what is occurring in my lucid mind. Remember my brain state is more awake that in REM sleep when a lucid occurs.
Although I take your point about the non-random not predicted way that people/beings/objects etc might act, thus triggering the feeling they have separate consciousness. What I’m asking is could these aspects of myself have for a short period consciousness that approaches my own? Maybe the word separate is confusing matters here, it certainly seems to have put a bug up Mellows ass?