The BIG WILD Topic - Part XIII

I have found that I have more success with the counting technique, and focus on drawing the numbers in the sand (as detailed in Stephen Laberge’s ‘Lucid Dreaming’). This technique leads me to hypnagogic images reliably, but concentrating just on counting doesn’t have the same results. This leads me to suspect that the visualisation of a relaxing scene (ie sitting on the beach, in the wet sand and letting the waves roll over you) is key to success. Well… for me at least.

When I attempt WILD, I get my body numb in less than 10 mins, then a very very light HI starts and at some point (30 mins) a part of my body (it could be anyone) moves by itself when I feel I am close, and obviously I loose concentration and all that…

Is it normal? Is there a way to aboid it? :help:

Little body movements like leg or arm jerks are just parts of some peoples relaxation process. The ironic thing is you probably go through them every night but only feel them when their most distracting. The best way I’ve found to avoid them is to use a progressive relaxation technique. I‘m sure you can find a guide to progressive relaxation along with material on WILD around here somewhere. You might still have the movements, but they won’t be distracting anymore.

I had a very scary WILD experience last night…

I’m no where near a good WILDer, but I can almost get into a dream. Last night it was all working out well, and I seeing HI. Usually I can see like vague pictures of things in my HI (like a dog or a smiley face or something small like that). It was all going well.

Then, suddenly I was getting a clearer vision of me laying in a bed with a man stabbing me in the back over and over and over. It wasn’t like before where bits and pieces of things randomly popped up, I could see a vivid and horrifying picture of me dying. I don’t know if I was dreaming yet, but I don’t think I was. Then the freakiest part happened: I began hearing a weird noise. I hear noises every once and a while so it didn’t bother me… but if you listen carefully to the noise it almost sounded vaguely like “wake up or die”.

I like almost instantaneously woke up after that, but when I woke up, I couldn’t move. I was on my back and I tried to scream for my mom, but all I could do was like murmur. It was like a very heavy weight was on my chest preventing me from doing anything. Then, for a few seconds, it felt like something bad was in the room with me (It’s hard to explain it, but there wasn’t a good presence in the room).

Then, it was like the weight was lifted off of me and I could breathe again. I immediately turned on the light and looked around, nothing was in my room.


Does anyone know what happened to me? Is that normal? I’m kinda afraid to WILD tonight, as I don’t want to be stuck in a situation where I can’t move again. :bored:

Hey char99bok.

Your experience is perhaps not typical but also not uncommon. During WILD your body shuts down its external senses during which all kinds of weird stuff can happen. Being 1/2 asleep as it were, you already can have pretty vivid dream images, hear all kinds of weird sounds and even feel “evil presences”. When you woke up it seems like you were in SP, which can be freightening if you are in a bad mood (for example because of the nasty visions/sounds). If this all causes you to be afraid to WILD, then it probably will happen again next time. However, if you realize that anything that happens is actually all in your head and that it isn’t in any way gonne hurt you, the experience will become a lot more pleasant. Keep that in mind next time you WILD, and good luck with it! :smile:

I have been trying to WILD but it hasn’t ever worked. Today I tried it again after I woke up in the morning and had been awake for about 10 minutes. I started seeing strange colours and lights, but then my muscles started strainin (I’m not sure if thats the right word) and I stopped seeing colours. Is this normal and what should I do?

It is hard to say for sure by your description but, if I had to guess, I would say that you were too conscious. I found that the more you learn to let go of your consciousness the better your chances of success. To crossover into the dream world you only need to be slightly alert. It is a balance. Too much consciousness and you will get stuck into the hypnogia. Too little consciousness and you will fall unconsciously asleep.

What I do is:

  1. put myself into a trance.( I have discussed how to do this throughout this thread and in the meditation thread)
  2. from their I create a falling sensation and imagine that I am letting go of my consciousness as I fall.
  3. Then I just let things happen. If I am seeing lots of HI I will just let myself get pulled into the dream. If I am experiencing body sensations then I will eventually feel my body being pulled in some direction and I just go with it. Either way the end result is with me in a dream fully lucid.

I think your problem might be with relaxation. It is very important that you learn how to put yourself into a state of alert relaxation. From there you just let go more and drop down into a trance.

You could also try meditation for at least 20minutes during the day. It is not a requirement but, it does help.

Hey, I coludn´t find any topic about entering Trance state, probably there is one, but I am terrible with search engines; so, could anyone explain me how to enter trance?

Thanks…

Hey Pez_Soluble,

If you just relax you’re already entering a light to medium trance stage, if you relax deeply the trance will become deeper and deeper. Its something we all do each night when we fall asleep for example.

Um, I can’t find it either and it was my post. It must be further back in this topic than I thought. It is a lot to type up but if I can’t find it I will retype it tomorrow.

In the mean time:

Basically, all you have to do is put yourself into a state of alert relaxation by tensing and relaxing all your major muscle groups. Then, imagine waves of energy moving up your body starting at your feet and exiting through the top of your head. Once you are relaxed your body should feel heavy and you may even feel a tingling sensation through your body. You may even feel a little numb. Once relaxed, imagine yourself falling. As you fall, tell yourself that you are going deeper as you fall.Eventually, that will bring you down into a deep trance. Remember to block out other thoughts and focus only on the falling. If other thoughts enter your mind simply push them away and return to your falling.

ive never had a LD, but i have had one interesting experience that was sorta WILD-related. i was camping with a mate, and was asleep dreaming (ND). i then woke up, and all i could see was solid blue. (the wall of the tent)
i kind of half-knew i was awake, but i thought “this is dull, im goin back to my dream”. and i did.
this happened once more, and the third time i woke up. any comments/views?

It sounds to me like you just woke up into a half sleep state then, went back to sleep and dreaming.

A great way to learn to WILD is just to spend time studying and becoming familliar with your hypnogogoic imagery, without any of the pressure of trying to enter a dream. It’s this pressure that makes the technique so difficult for many people. If you spend and hour or more each night just using this observing technique you may find (as I did) that WILDS begin to happen naturally without you even trying to consciously enter a dream.
It’s trying to force the crossover point which is the biggest cause of failure, so just take the pressure off and observe.
It may take days or weeks, but you should find that WILDS come naturally.

I agree with most of what you said. Tring to force yourself into a dream will likely prove counter productive and lead to waking you up. At least that has been my experience. Using your HI can definitely help guide you into a lucid dream but, you also have to be careful that you don’t get too caught up in them either as the imagery is designed to send you unconsciously asleep. Again it is a balance.

I like your idea of just observing HI at first and not try to LD but, just observe. I think that would have saved me a lot of frustration back in the beginning.

Also, I think too many people worry about the possible symptoms of WILD like SP,HI etc. I think that too many people worry about getting down into SP or “getting the vibrations” that they forget about the real goal which is to induce a lucid dream. All of this causes too much active thought which keeps you awake.

I can’t remember if I already posted this, but whenever I try to WILD, my face is to tight, if I loosen it up my eyes open, especially if I try to observe HI. My eyes don’t usually do this when trying to sleep normally though. Also, I’m pretty good at getting my body to relax now, but after long periods and I still can’t fall asleep, my body starts to get uncomfortable, keeping me awake whether I move or not.

I’d appreciate it if anyone could help me out.

I don’t know what the cause of this is but give this a try:

Do your relaxation techniques as normal with your eyes open then, without moving your head turn your eyes up and focus on a spot on the ceiling. Then just focus on your breath while keeping your attention on that spot. Your eyes will flutter and blink as you hold your attention there. Eventually your eyes will get tired and want to close on their own. Then continue with your WILD technique.

Thanx :smile:.

you can meditate, focus, count, whatever on something as an attempt to WILD, but when you only focus on one thing you’ll lose yourself in it, as in: you start dreaming and you’re not aware of it.

i think is best to become aware of your awareness.
what are you focussing on? what has your attention?
who is focussing? who is aware?
self-reflectiveness.

this keeps you from losing yourself in your thoughts, or in your dreams.

i’m not completely sure of this, but i thought about the last dild/wild thingy and came to this as very important.

I think I almost WILDed without trying last night.

I couldnt get to sleep, wasnt really very comfortable and I’ve just started getting up at 7:30 for school instead of like 12 :sad: I had some HI i think but i didnt really pay attention to it because I just wanted to get to sleep.

Then a while later I suddenly felt like I was being pulled to one side of the bed. I just tried to relax and there were vibrations… but they were like inside my head, :eek: I think there was sounds that went with them as well, and when I looked for HI I noticed I could just see lots of little brightly coloured dots. Also I felt like I was being bent in half, which wasnt very nice, and I tried to stop it, but without much success.

After a while I just had a FA, but I didnt realise it. :sad: I looked at the time and it was 6:30am which I felt was when more lucid dreams would happen for some reason. I had another dream (dont remember how they were connected) then I woke up and it was only 2am.

When I’ve tried focusing on things like HI I just get distracted and I’m not very good at trying to relax, especially if I’m lying still. :eek: