[color=darkblue][size=117]Recent Interview with
Dr. José Argüelles
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Interview composed and conducted by Robert Lucente.
Interview conducted - Monday, February 3, 2003
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:: Open Your Mind to a New Time ::
Dr. José Argüelles
Foreword
With all of the turmoil and crises facing humanity, the Earth, and all within the Earth’s biosphere, there is one thing that most people can still agree on – there are no easy solutions to our vast array of dilemmas. We strive for peace, equality, freedom, justice, unity, and to protect the Earth including all of its living beings and resources. Yet history has only grown more challenging and complex – filled with an endless stream of obstacles to attaining these ideals.
However, as a looming war troubles the world, there is a movement under way suggesting what may be the one UNTRIED solution. That perhaps something we take for granted and live with day in and day out may need to be changed drastically, and QUICKLY before we can even begin to solve any of these complex issues. What could this be? Humanity’s concept and practice of time keeping via the Gregorian calendar and the mechanical clock.
Join Philzone.com as we speak with Dr. José Argüelles, author and founder of the Foundation for the Law of Time, about the 13 Moon Calendar, the New Time Peace Movement and the Great Calendar Change of 2004. In addition, Dr. Argüelles shares his extensive knowledge of the history of the calendar, Mayan time science, 2012 prophecies, the Law of Time, and much more.
This might just be an idea, whose time has come!
Greetings Dr. José Argüelles. Welcome to Philzone.com and THANKS for joining us.
It’s a pleasure being here on the electronic airwaves.
Fantastic! We are very excited to have a conversation with you. The New Time Peace Movement is starting to explode, and the 13 Moon Calendar is starting to come into more popular use - but, for as many people that are turning on, I think it’s safe to say that still many folks are very much unaware of what the New Time Peace Movement is proposing.
So on that note, let’s get right to it and have you activate the commUNITY here in Philzone.com with your knowledge of time!
To start, why don’t you explain your Foundation, its missions and concept?
The Foundation for the Law of Time began in the summer of 2000. Its purpose is to promote the 13 Moon Calendar, the 13 Moon Calendar Change Peace Plan, and the Law of Time. The 13 Moon Calendar is intended to replace the current Gregorian calendar. The 13 Moon Calendar is an absolutely perfect harmonious 13-month, which are called Moons, calendar, of 28 days each. Everything is very evenly, orderly and harmonic so you can’t get lost in time.
When you look at the Gregorian calendar, as we know, it befuddles the mind: 30 days hath September, April, June and November, all the rest have 31, except for February which has 28, except for on Leap Year which has 29, and I feel sorry for the people born on February 29.
(Laughs)
The Gregorian calendar is so dogmatic. Most people have no idea how much we are programmed by a calendar, even people who say, ‘Well I don’t follow a calendar’. Well, a calendar is what programs a society that uses it. It is the most fundamental program that a society has. If you take the calendar away from society, the society ceases to exist really.
So is that what your Foundation is targeting and addressing?
Yes, we’re addressing this whole issue of the calendar. You see a calendar is also supposed to be a standard of measure and what you want with a standard of measure is even units of measure. The calendar we use right now does not have even units of measure. It has months that are uneven and it has weeks that don’t correlate with the months. The weeks are 7 days, the months are 30, 31, except for in February, which has 28 days, but then because depending upon when the week or when the year began, you don’t know if February 1st is going to be on a Sunday or whatever it’s going to be. So those units of measure don’t mesh. Well that messes with your head something terrible and when you’ve been using that for 400 years, it messes with the society’s head so badly that the society doesn’t know how deformed its thinking really is and that’s problematic.
So you’re suggesting that perhaps a change of the current calendar may help humanity is some way?
Yes, I think the point is, it will improve humanity. It will be of the greatest benefit to humanity to start getting its mind from a deformed state to a harmonic state and that’s the whole point. So, we’re promoting that, and what we’re looking at is the Great Calendar Change of 2004, which is not too far away. We’re looking at July 25 and 26, 2004 as the big moment to pass through this moment in time.
Wow, that’s a pretty aggressive schedule you must have?
Yes it is, but you know we’ve been on the schedule for a while. I first became aware of this problem with the calendar back in 1988 or 1989. I had written a book called The Mayan Factor back in 1987 based on the Mayan calendar. Then when I started trying to put the Mayan calendar into the present time I saw it had real problems because the Gregorian calendar is not harmonic like the Mayan calendar is. Then in 1989, I made the discovery of the 12:60 frequency.
I was in the Museum of Time in Geneva and realized that that museum should be renamed the Museum of Mechanical Time. It’s another one of those things people don’t realize. They think time is like what’s in a watch, but that’s another one of these dreadful illusions. I was in this museum and realized, because I had been studying and living on Mayan timing cycles, that everything in modern civilization is based on this concept of time which is not really valid.
The mechanical clock is based on 12, and the 12-month calendar, of course is also based on 12.
12 is a number that has to do with space, and you’ll see how the programming is, you cant’ go anywhere, remember every school classroom has a round clock. Every office you walk into has a round clock on the wall. What is that? You’re looking at a 2 dimensional plane - a circle. A 2 dimensional plane in space with these little hands… (laughs)
(Laughs) Right.
…going around and around. It’s divided into 12 parts, because it’s a 360 degree thing, so 12 goes into 360 30 times. You have this thing; it’s measurement of space. What’s that got to do with time? Those little hands going around this thing in space. That’s not time. People are hypnotized by that. They think that’s time. So I looked at that this and thought, ‘This is all wrong’, and realized that the whole civilization is based on an error in time. This error in time: thinking that time is based on the number 12, the hands going around the clock, and a calendar that is totally irregular, illogical and absurd.
The combination of this calendar and the mechanical clock create a state of mind or consciousness, which we refer to as the 12:60 frequency: the 12-month calendar and the 60-minute mechanical hour. The 12-month calendar is irrational and the 60-minute hour is mechanistic. So you have a civilization that is a totally irrational civilization based on the mechanization of everything. That just creates a messed up species.
You’re knowledge of the actual history of time is really impressive. Perhaps you may share with us a bit how the current Gregorian calendar and mechanical clock came into being?
I’ll just say one other thing, when I made that discovery about the 12:60 frequency, that’s when I realized we had to change the calendar. That was the first step. We had to get a harmonic calendar.
Now when we say, ‘What is the history of these things?’ Well, you know I found out that the concept of the clock existed at the very beginning of history. 3100 BC, the Sumerians, in the first city of history, Uruk, which is an early version of the name Iraq (that’s where we’re going - back to bomb the beginning of history) they had already come up with the concept of dividing the circle into segments and even into 24 hours.
What were they getting at with that? What do you think was motivating them?
Well, you know, that’s an interesting thing, because before that time, when I looked at that matter, virtually everywhere on the planet, was following some kind of variation of a 13 Moon/28-day calendar. It was very pervasive. The Druids had it. It was all over Europe, ancient China even, and this idea of dividing the circle and then substituting the division of the circle for concepts of time, I believe was actually part of what I would call a male Babylonian conspiracy. You know we call the dates before the birth of Christ, BC? Well, that really means Babylonian Conspiracy!
(Laughs)
And we’re still living in the Babylonian Conspiracy. Why is the number 13 superstitious? It’s the biggest superstition that we have in this civilization. A guy named Jonathan Cott, who writes for Rolling Stone, he wrote a book called 13: A Journey Into the Number. Tridecaphobia is fear of the number 13. Why is that? Because the number 13 represents harmony. It also represents what we might call cosmic harmony, as well as the feminine principle.
13 is a prime number. 12 is a static number, you know 3x4, 4x3, 2x6, interlocking sets, but it doesn’t go anywhere. It’s a number of space, whereas 13 is a number of movement of time. So I believe that the whole thing began, as some type of almost cosmic conspiracy, to establish a male patriarchy that was using a calendar, which eventually was going to be mumbo-jumbo, to confuse and keep the people oppressed and because of this you’ll see when did taxation begin? Where did money come from? You’ll see that they’re all closely related to this idea of a calendar. In fact, the word calendar itself, is a Latin word. The Romans inherited their civilization basically in concepts of war, taxation, and money, from the Babylonians, and the word calendar means account book. The first day of the Roman month was called calends, that’s when you pay your bills.
Right, well I guess it stuck?
Yes, it stuck. Like I said, a calendar is the program that keeps the society in place, and so from the beginning they created this calendar. The Babylonians, the Sumerians, and then later on down to the Romans, created this system of the calendar and used it as way of manipulating people. They invented money and then had people pay taxes.
And they could time them then.
Yes, that’s what we call time thieves or time bandits. They created the concept that time is money. We still live with that. That’s why I say we’re still in this Babylonian conspiracy. So, that began way back then. The calendar that we use today, the Gregorian calendar, actually came from Rome. It came from Julius Caesar. It was originally called the Julian calendar. The Romans had a very funky calendar at the time of Julius Caesar.
Did they invent this one from scratch?
Well, for some reason or another they just had a 10-month calendar, and then Julius Caesar added 2 more months, and this created great havoc. Why did Julius Caesar do that? Because he wanted to have a new instrument of control when he proposed that Rome ceased to be a Republic and become an Empire. That’s why he was assassinated.
Because of that move with the 2 months?
Because of that move to make it an Empire and impose this calendar. When he imposed that calendar, their count of time was way off. So the first year of that calendar was called the Year of Great Confusion, because it had 400 and 40 odd days.
So were they using any solstices or anything in that calendar or was it completely arbitrary of that?
Very arbitrary, like why does it begin on January 1st instead of the solstice?
Was that one of Caesars’ moves?
Yes, that was one of Julius Caesars moves. So anyway, that’s where that came from.
But, at one point, didn’t someone try to incorporate a solar quality to it, with 365 days?
Well, yes, he eventually made it into a measure of the solar orbit, which is 365 days, but it doesn’t have even units of measure. It’s like having a yardstick and then 1 inch is actually 1-½ inches, and another inch is ¾’s of an inch. Well you’re going to build a very screwy house with that! So we live in a mental house of time, which is very screwy. So, anyway, Julius Caesar invented that. I’ll tell you, one other thing is nobody questions hardly why we use this calendar, much less what the names of the months mean which is another screwy thing.
How did some of the names come into play?
Well, January is the God of the Doorway. February is an obscure reference to a type of entrails used in a form of divination. March is named after Mars, the God of War. April and May are named after obscure floral Goddesses of the springtime. Juno was the wife of Jupiter. July is named after Julius Caesar. August is named after Augustus Caesar. August used to be the month called Sextile, which means 6, and Augustus Caesar said, ‘Julius has a month named after him, I want a month named after me.’ So he changed Sextile to August. At that time it only had 30 days, February had 29, so he took the 29th day from February and added it to August so it would have 31 just like Julius did with July.
September, which is the 9th month, means 7. October, which is the 10th month, means 8. November, the 11th month, means 9. December, the 12th month, means 10. That’s screwy. OK, and the civilization which is based on that is also screwy. That’s why we got real big problems in the world today. Because we’ve accepted this calendar, we’ve dogmatized it. You can read books by scholars about the calendar, and they all apologize for this calendar. They say, ‘We know this calendar is a medieval anachronism. But it works and everybody uses it, so…’
Don’t question.
Don’t question it.
Was there a movement for a calendar reform to happen at some point?
Yes, there was. This calendar was, of course, inherited by the Christians in the 6th century or even before that, which then became the Eastern Church, the Orthodox Church and later on the Catholic Church. Then in 1582, Pope Gregory the 13th had a reform of the Julian calendar and then it became known after Pope Gregory, as the Gregorian calendar. In a sense, this calendar is the Vatican’s calendar. The world lives on Vatican time. There was a movement to reform the Gregorian calendar that began in the 19th century. In fact, the French Positivist Philosopher, Father of Sociology, a guy named Auguste Comte, in 1842 or so, decided that the calendar was totally irrational and that we should have a rational calendar. So he made a study and said ‘The most rational calendar for a measure of the solar year is going to be 13 months and 28 days.’
Where did he pick it up?
He picked it up, believe it or not, from the Polynesians who were using that calendar. The French explorers came back from the South Pacific and they said, ‘Hey look at this, the Polynesians use a calendar of 13 months and 28 days.’ You go to a lot of indigenous people and you tell them about this, and they say, ‘Oh yes, I remember grandpa said something about that long time ago. We haven’t seen it in long time either.’ A guy in the Hawaiian Islands says, ‘Oh yes, Tutu said we had that one once.’ So, everybody had it.
So he proposed going to that?
He proposed doing that. It was the most rational thing in the world, which it is, 13-months/28-days. It’s an even standard of measure. The female menstrual cycle is 28 days. It’s in tune with human biology. Actually scientifically, the Moon does go around the Earth 13 times a year. If you’re out in space and you see it, you see our measurement of the Moon here, from New Moon to New Moon, goes in a cycle of 29 days or if you measure the Moon from where it appears at one point in the sky and when it returns to that same point is 27 days. So between the 27 and the 29 is the 28. That’s the actual lunar average or standard and actually that’s the basis of it, and as I said it’s the female biological cycle.
So, toward the end of the 19th century, there were many movements. They said, ‘Oh, we’re going to get to the 20th century which is going to be scientific, we need to get rid of the Gregorian calendar.’ So these movements began. The League of Nations, in the 1920s, the predecessor of the UN, they took up the cry. The International Chamber of Commerce, people like Eastman Kodak, of Kodak Film, they were all into it.
So, they went to the League of Nations and the League of Nations announced that on January 1, 1933 the world would have a new calendar. They had solicited for proposals and got over 500 proposals to replace the Gregorian calendar. They narrowed it down to 3 and by far, unanimously, the most popular one was the 13-month/28-day calendar. About 90% of the organizations polled with regards to the calendar went for that one. So it looked like we should have been on the 13-month/28-day calendar in 1933. So what happened?
OK, what happened was in 1929, a guy named Benito Mussolini, a Fascist dictator of Italy decided that the Vatican, who’s power had shrunk enormously from the time of Pope Gregory the 13th in 1582 when the Vatican virtually owned the planet (in terms of its colonization’s and finance and so on) that it had shrunk. It had lost all its power. Benito Mussolini said the Vatican needs to have political status, political power again, needs to have its own banking system and in 1929 the Vatican became virtually a nation state of 4 acres and was able to wield a lot of power. So when the news of the calendar reform came, and as I said the Gregorian calendar is really the Vatican calendar…
Right, so Mussolini made a point to…?
Yes so, the Vatican then marshaled all of its influence, which was still very great, and at that time still had influence with many scientists and said, ‘Look 13-months/28-days, 13 times 28 is 364. There is 365 days in a solar orbit. The 365th day is no day of the week or month at all.’ This is what we call a DAY-OUT-OF-TIME, which correlates to July 25.
This ‘day-out-of-time’ or ‘null day’, as they called it back then, was objected to strenuously by the Vatican. The Vatican raised big arguments saying that, ‘If we had a null day, a day that was no day of the week or month at all, that that would break the succession of the 7-day week that was set in motion when God created the Universe.’ Of course, where did the 7-day week come from? It came from the Babylonians based on the mystic number 7 and then they gobbled that all up with planetary associations. In any case, the Vatican, and its scientific apologists said, ‘If we break the succession of the 7-day week, that the world will fall into social chaos, catastrophe, terrorism and war.’ Well, where are we today because we didn’t make that reform? OK, we are exactly at that point.