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How do you "passively" observe HI?
PostPosted: Tue 24 May, 2005  Reply with quote

How do you passively observe HI? I've noticed within the past two weeks my HI has become very vivid. It's like, all the spots and blobs I see are on top of a scene and I will unconciously focus on the scene and not pay attention to the "static" anymore. It is becoming as if I was watching a movie screen and being able to move my eyes around. Now, I don't realize I'm doing this, so then I'll be like "Oh! This is HI, man!" and then I'll snap out of it. How can I come to this realization without snapping out of it? If I could master this I believe I could be very proficient at WILD, what with SP and all.. Today when having a nap I saw some really ugly man's face up close (I think it was a politician wink5 ) and he had like, a tongue ring and I could see him moving it around and then realized what I was looking at and snapped back. It was so clear, so close!

Please help!


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PostPosted: Tue 24 May, 2005  Reply with quote

I've got the same problem, when my HI gets really intense and vivid, and I'm like "Oh man this is sweeet!" it just goes away, and then I get discouaged. I think it has to do with me trying to watch the images, rather than letting them be seen, if that makes any sence.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 May, 2005  Reply with quote

LOL, that's what I'm like, man!!!

I'm wondering if I could try looking at the images with my "peripheral vision." Like, focus on a spot on your wall, but concentrate on an object (a clock, maybe?) near it and soon you'll notice that your vision has oh-so-slowly moved and is now on the clock! It's just that moment that I realize what I'm looking at...


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PostPosted: Tue 24 May, 2005  Reply with quote

You could try to pick a point in your mind. I suggest in the center of your forehead and keep your attention there. Let the imagery form in your mind but pay no attention to them. Keep your attention at the spot on your forehead. Hopefully this will keep you from getting too involved with the images. It is very important that you do not think about the images. I know it is very cool but as soon as you think, “hey this is cool” you will have to start all over.

Another alternative is possible if you are good at visualizing. You can just visualize a simple object or symbol and stay focused on that.


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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

For me, I do make this mistake sometimes, but I find that I get into HI's again faster so if I do make this mistake.. there's no big deal. I just try again. smile And focusing on one thing will help a lot or just observe. It's hard I know, but I just observe without reacting. I know I can think or whatever in my dream, I just have to pass this dedicate stage first; otherwise, I'd have to do the thinking when I'm awake. You know what I prefer... being able to think in a LD! So, yeah I use that goal when I see HI's, I know I'll react on them later.. I just need to observe like a scientist would... I integrate that HI and progress into LD much faster that way. reallybiggrin

I know.. easier said than done. meh


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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Im a little confused on the subject of HI. Is HI the dots and blobs of colour you see when you close your eyes at any time of the day?

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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

C_mon wrote:
Im a little confused on the subject of HI. Is HI the dots and blobs of colour you see when you close your eyes at any time of the day?


Hypnagogic comes from a greek word which means "Leading into sleep", so they are only the dots and blobs you see when you fall asleep. You can also have Hypnopompic Imagery, when you come out of a REM cycle. All three images are probably related to each other in some way through the visual courtex, I would say smile


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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Ok thnx. So the dots and blobs i see everyday are something else.

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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

C_mon wrote:
Ok thnx. So the dots and blobs i see everyday are something else.


Yup.
Actually I find that when I close my eyes during the day, the images seem to correspond to actual objects. Just now I did it and I could see a greenish square where my computer monitor would be if my eyes were open.


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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

I get what you mean. I see objects sometimes. What is strange is that if i concentrate hard enough and focus my eyes forward i start to see little red circles with a white middle with then a little red dot in the middle of the white. And they start to multiply but then disappear once they get bigger. This is probably nothing extraordinary but thought i'd mention it.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

HI can also be seemingly random images that flash in your minds eye (or as if they are with the blobs and dots going to sleep) Eventually the image (like a face, or for me, I always see a pair of eyes at the onset of HI) will grow into a scene, which will begin to move. I've been amazed at how clear I can see these scenes lately, which is why I wake up. I get too excited over them!!!

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Does it then after fading together turn into a dream in which you are lucid?

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

C_mon wrote:
Does it then after fading together turn into a dream in which you are lucid?


Yup, if all goes well. Thats what a WILD is.


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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Ahh never seen that. tounge2 Ill be happy with a nice bit of SP. That would make my month. Once i can hit SP i know HI will come soon. And if i have the Old hag...who cares it might be frightening but still its an experience.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

C_mon wrote:
Ahh never seen that. tounge2 Ill be happy with a nice bit of SP. That would make my month. Once i can hit SP i know HI will come soon. And if i have the Old hag...who cares it might be frightening but still its an experience.


In my experience, HI happens before SP, but it gets more vivid and changes to actual images instead of light and blobs as time goes by.


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