How do you "passively" observe HI?

For me, I do make this mistake sometimes, but I find that I get into HI’s again faster so if I do make this mistake… there’s no big deal. I just try again. :smile: And focusing on one thing will help a lot or just observe. It’s hard I know, but I just observe without reacting. I know I can think or whatever in my dream, I just have to pass this dedicate stage first; otherwise, I’d have to do the thinking when I’m awake. You know what I prefer… being able to think in a LD! :tongue: So, yeah I use that goal when I see HI’s, I know I’ll react on them later… I just need to observe like a scientist would… I integrate that HI and progress into LD much faster that way. :biggrin:

I know… easier said than done. :confused:

Im a little confused on the subject of HI. Is HI the dots and blobs of colour you see when you close your eyes at any time of the day?

Hypnagogic comes from a greek word which means “Leading into sleep”, so they are only the dots and blobs you see when you fall asleep. You can also have Hypnopompic Imagery, when you come out of a REM cycle. All three images are probably related to each other in some way through the visual courtex, I would say :smile:

Ok thnx. So the dots and blobs i see everyday are something else.

Yup.
Actually I find that when I close my eyes during the day, the images seem to correspond to actual objects. Just now I did it and I could see a greenish square where my computer monitor would be if my eyes were open.

I get what you mean. I see objects sometimes. What is strange is that if i concentrate hard enough and focus my eyes forward i start to see little red circles with a white middle with then a little red dot in the middle of the white. And they start to multiply but then disappear once they get bigger. This is probably nothing extraordinary but thought i’d mention it.

HI can also be seemingly random images that flash in your minds eye (or as if they are with the blobs and dots going to sleep) Eventually the image (like a face, or for me, I always see a pair of eyes at the onset of HI) will grow into a scene, which will begin to move. I’ve been amazed at how clear I can see these scenes lately, which is why I wake up. I get too excited over them!!!

Does it then after fading together turn into a dream in which you are lucid?

Yup, if all goes well. Thats what a WILD is.

Ahh never seen that. :razz: Ill be happy with a nice bit of SP. That would make my month. Once i can hit SP i know HI will come soon. And if i have the Old hag…who cares it might be frightening but still its an experience.

In my experience, HI happens before SP, but it gets more vivid and changes to actual images instead of light and blobs as time goes by.

Ok thnx for telling me ill watch out for it.

SP is really weird for me. I seem to have a “gift” for it in that I can experience it almost at will, providing I’m relaxed enough. Last week I had it almost every morning if I woke up early enough to allow 2+ hours before having to get out of bed. I can tell when it’s coming because suddenly I’ll feel/hear blood rushing to my head, and it’ll start to wash over my like an oscillating wave. Eventually the “waves” get very powerful, the noise or rushing sound becomes very intense/chaotic, and that’s when I attempt to climb out of bed. I realized since my last two WILDs that everytime I tried to move/get out of bed (in sheer terror when I first started to experience it years ago) I technically had a brief WILD because I saw myself changing positions, felt like I was changing positions, but then I’d blink and be in the same paralysed position. I posted a lot of tips on here somewhere about the best way to bring on SP. I’ll see if I can dig it up for you!!

I’d welcome those :smile:
I’ve only been conscious during SP twice, and they were both spontanious.

The dots and blobs are called phosphenes or entoptics. Hypnagogic imagery are rather realistic images (faces, landscapes, etc.) which appear randomly, and generally disappear as soon as you notice them.

Do they seems to zoom across your vision and get hetic and you feel your eyes struggling to kepp up with them. And it can sometimes keep you awake and not allow you to relax?

I have experienced that one or two times… it made me wake up because I was really struggling and my eyes hurt because of that. Right now, I learned that you have to be passive… no matter what. Just ignore that and just keep going. :smile:I know it’s not easy, but that’s the best tip I can give you right now.

Are you talking about phosphenes or HI? And I suppose you mean “hectic” cause I haven’t found any definition nor translation for “hetic”? :shy:
If you talk about phosphenes (the blobs), yes, they can move, they sometimes repetitively appear, disappear, rotate, translate, etc. This is not good if you want to WILD while focusing on them… :bored:

I usually get heavy HI right after going to bed in the evening. Sometimes I even become lucid while inside of them. They sense véry differently than dreams, and I usually wake up if I participate too much in the action going on. So observation, even while lucid, is my best method to keep them going. Even the slightest movement you make can disturb them. I’d say, just enjoy the show :wink:

What i meant is, not blobs and coloured lines. I meant images of anything going past your vision and just random images that can be hectic (i did mean hectic before) and they seem to dart around your vision.

But the only real time i think i have fully experienced HI was when i was sleeping on the floor in a sleeping bag. All of a sudden i was thinking of a bar, and then i was sliding across the bar and i could feel the sliding motion but it was still like an image. Im pretty sure that was HI. But this was when i was younger.