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SiY
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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Hmm, was this not the vibrations people talk about? I will have to try this again tomorrow, but along with WBTB and i can read some lucid dreaming stuff coz i got a book on it :D.

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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Oh BTW, after my attempt for WILD when i had to move to scratch my nose coz it was unbearable after 20 mins lol. I noticed my legs felt really stiff and heavy. It felt like my legs had seized up from doing lots of excersise (which i haven't done for about a week). Could this been early SP?

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PostPosted: Wed 25 May, 2005  Reply with quote

C_mon wrote:
Oh BTW, after my attempt for WILD when i had to move to scratch my nose coz it was unbearable after 20 mins lol. I noticed my legs felt really stiff and heavy. It felt like my legs had seized up from doing lots of excersise (which i haven't done for about a week). Could this been early SP?


I also experience this. It get's so uncomfortable sometimes, like my muscles are fatigued or something, even though I'm laying perfectly still. So uncomfortable, I usually give up and roll over ^^
Of course, this is when I first go to bed, it probably would go by faster if I did it in the early morning.


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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Well im gonna attempt to do this tomorrow. Properly 100% effort. Im gonna read some lucid dreaming stuff WBTB and WILD or try a variation on it.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Hey C_mon,
Uh... did you try any sort of progressive relaxation technique? When I hit the sheets I breath VERY slooowly for a good minute, very slow and deep. Then I progressively relax each major muscle and some minor until I feel the tension has completely left me. Continuing to breath deeper, I vividly imagine doing some Tai Chi moves I picked up from P.M. Chi for Beginners and breath in sync with the imagined moves, all the while my physical body is completely still.

Anyway, it takes me 15 minutes to get to the same state where I completely lose connection with my body. In fact, I paniced a little last night. I hit the sheets at 10:00 but by 10:20 (I had to peak at the clock to see how fast it was since I'm trying to find my mean time, I usually keep my eyes shut once I close them) by 10:20 I had noooo idea what position my body was in save my own visual representation in my minds eye. It started getting weird when I felt like I was standing up and floating around the room.

I've never WILD-ed as soon I've hit the sack (I've never really attempted to stay up longer and see what happens), but I think if you do these things and want to, you will. I usually WBTB around 3:00 AM or so. If you want more in-depth procedure instructions, lemme know!


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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

i have tried deep breathing before and tensing muscles and that and yes it does help. But last night i didn't do that. Should have really. But i will try tonight. With me being able to lie there for 50 mins unmoved with the help of the relaxation techniques i may be able to get better results.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

C_mon wrote:
[...]With me being able to lie there for 50 mins unmoved with the help of the relaxation techniques i may be able to get better results.


I would almost guarantee it!! Motionless for 50 minutes is huge!


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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Hmm a guarantee well ill see you tomorrow and tell you how it went. Im off to bed now to try it out.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

C_mon wrote:
Oh BTW, after my attempt for WILD when i had to move to scratch my nose coz it was unbearable after 20 mins lol.


Don’t you just hate that!

Anyway, some other ideas:

After you induce a state of alert relaxation:

- focus on creating a falling sensation or try Dm7's variation on this and create a spinning sensation (very cool experience)

- imagine yourself walking down a flight of stairs

- focus on your breathing

-focus on a point in the center of your forehead between your eyebrows

- If you can visualize then visualize a simple object or symbol and stay focused on that.

hope this helps.

Happy Dreaming


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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

What works for me is getting in the most comfortable position possible, taking slow deep breaths, and kind of what milod suggested, rolling your eyes up (which is what your eyes actually do during sleep).

I guarentee that after experiencing WILD once you wont have too much of a problem getting there again. The transition from HI to dream feels pretty strange... I happened to figure out how to do it accidentally with out much knowledge of lucid dreaming, so I'm sure you will get it soon.


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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Here is what usualy happens to me. I lay down and get as comfortable as I can. Slow my breathing, which is hard at first and lay as still as I can, but i'm sure like many of you the harder you try not to move, the more you feel the need to reposition yourself or get an itch. Anyway, after about 5 minutes, or so it seems, I get the feeling that I am slowly floating upwards twords the ceiling, still on my back. My body begins to tingle alittle. At that time I try to imagine a senario I'd like to be in and when I feel like I'm an inch or less from hitting the ceiling thats the time I usualy fall asleep. What would happen if I ever make it past that point, I dont know, but I'm sure it would be a good experiance.
Anyone know what comes next?


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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

If you could keep your mind's eye locked on a scene you want to appear in, you'd probably end up there. For me (during my first long and vivid textbook wild) there was like 1 second from being aware in bed to being aware standing outside my bed. No moving out of bed, just BAM I was there. smile It's worth holding your concentration on. wink5

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

I was going to take a nap and WILD earlier today but my phone woke me up JUST as I was going into a LD. I kind of remember it... after about 10 minutes the SP and HI kicked in At this point I'm half conscious, thinking and picturing really abstract things, half dreaming. I'm not sure if I'm actually seeing the things I'm thinking about, but when I woke up it seemed as though I was. It's tricky how memory works at the stage between consousness and sleep. On normal nights I have no recollection of falling sleep. I think this is where you fell alseep. I'll experience a strong vibration feeling after this, mostly in my head.... I don't know what causes this to happen or how long it takes to happen ( theres really no sense of time for me at this point), but it's a really strange sensation, and an LD will follow after it. I think this feeling is caused by the brain fully cutting off your physical body and allowing you to enter a dream and move around without actually moviing your body, and waking up.

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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

For me, the key of being aware during the WILD progress is to FOCUS on something, but not too much. You have to act like you're asleep, but you have to keep conscious; otherwise, you'll be having a normal sleep.

My tips/suggestions:
1) Do a relaxation technique
- spin like a top to induce a trance
- breath deeply and slowly
- using exhaling to relax muscles
2) Slower breathing
- after being relaxed... you'll notice you breath much slower... try to make it slower and slower
- breath with your belly not your chest
- if you feel you're choking, just ignore it and let your breath be taken over (it becomes automated)
3) Patience
4) Falling technique
- imagine falling helps speed WILD up... if do it right (it has to be done in black void where you can't feel your body and/or begin to feel your dream body)
5) Focus on what you see/feel
- If you see a blob, then focus on it. Try to zoom into it or try to make it more stabilized. Use it to enter.
- If you feel your dream body, feel it and try to roll over (without moving your real body).
... in #5 it's usually when vibration happens
6) Leap in a LD
- Enjoy wink5

I used to have a lot of WILD techniques, but that's all I can think of right now. smile Please ask me any questions if you didn't understand my tips/suggestions or if you wanted some more tips/suggestions smile


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PostPosted: Thu 26 May, 2005  Reply with quote

Dm7 wrote:
For me, the key of being aware during the WILD progress is to FOCUS on something, but not too much. You have to act like you're asleep, but you have to keep conscious; otherwise, you'll be having a normal sleep.

My tips/suggestions:
1) Do a relaxation technique
- spin like a top to induce a trance
- breath deeply and slowly
- using exhaling to relax muscles
2) Slower breathing
- after being relaxed... you'll notice you breath much slower... try to make it slower and slower
- breath with your belly not your chest
- if you feel you're choking, just ignore it and let your breath be taken over (it becomes automated)
3) Patience
4) Falling technique
- imagine falling helps speed WILD up... if do it right (it has to be done in black void where you can't feel your body and/or begin to feel your dream body)
5) Focus on what you see/feel
- If you see a blob, then focus on it. Try to zoom into it or try to make it more stabilized. Use it to enter.
- If you feel your dream body, feel it and try to roll over (without moving your real body).
... in #5 it's usually when vibration happens
6) Leap in a LD
- Enjoy wink5

I used to have a lot of WILD techniques, but that's all I can think of right now. smile Please ask me any questions if you didn't understand my tips/suggestions or if you wanted some more tips/suggestions smile


I tried number 4 this morning, but my alarm when off when I started to loose the feeling of my body. I'm gonna try again tomorrow.


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