Is lucid a sin?-Part II

Glad you are back lucid-chicken. You must have a record for the most impact on the forum by making one post! :tongue: I take it we convinced you that it wasn’t a sin then. :cool_laugh:

hello everyone! I was searching for a particular message, when I found some contraversial (sp?) topics about whether LD’ing is a sin or not.

I don’t understand people’s reason for thinking that LD’ing is a sin. I plan to get closer to God and Jesus through my lucid dreams, and I believe there is a small verse in the bible about lucid dreaming! (i think it’s in song of songs…) One of my first goals for LD’ing is to grow spirutually from them. I can understand why some people may question the content of particular LD’s as sinful (like, if you wanted to go an a killing spree or whatnot), but LD’ing in itself? hmmm…

What are your views on LD’ing being classified as a sin?

The way I see it, there is no God, so lucidity is all good.

dreamer_chic, I have merged your post to the original topic

associated topics are
A question, hopefully this wont offend anybody.
[A question, hopefully this wont offend anybody.)
and
Lucid Dreaming and My Lord?
part I https://community.ld4all.com/t/lucid-dreaming-and-my-lord/7546
part II [Lucid Dreaming and My Lord?-Part II)

Thanks for the links moogle!
btw, are you Catholic? I think I read that somewhere … I’m just curious, I plan on becoming catholic :wink:

It goes toward dreaming in general… In the Middle Ages a sector in the Bible about witchcraft was mistranslated to mean dream recollection or similar. (correction?). I don’t see how this is possible since God sent several vital messages using dreams.

I have heard of/seen LDing mistaken for witchcraft by the misinformed. It deals with perception/reality altering, people think you must be a witch/druggie if you do either. It is simply being aware that you are dreaming, but there may be religious issues with how this is attained.

The actual state isn’t the issue I think, maybe mistaken for what people do in that state. I personally see actions in LD variant of a ND and not something too be too concerned about. The rule is if you have problems with an action or think you may don’t do it.

It seems alot of Christians, want to be bored stiff. There overall view of life, is not to enjoy it, and one day our suffering will end, and will be in heaven. What a bitter way to look at life.I think alot of Christians are afraid to do anyting new, like LDing, it probaly scares the hell out of them. Your alive now, so live.

Kavaa I wouldn’t talk bad of anothers way of life it’s nothing for you to change what may be boring for you may be enjoyable for others. That is like saying that i would rather live in a big city rather then in a Small Backroad town… it may suck for some in the city but others love it and some hate the small backroad town but others enjoy it. So I wouldn’t say bad things about others life just enjoy your own :wink:

no i’m not a church going person at all but don’t talk down to others it only makes you look bad. :bored:

Yes, St Jerome diliberatly mistranslated the hebrew word for recalling dreams into the greek word for witchraft when he did his Vulgate Translation for the Pope, because of a dream he had in which he was flogged for his dreamwork in front of an otherowrldy court. He took it as a sign that his dreamwork was sinful. if you ask me, it was his subconscious uncertainties about dreaming and his faith emerging in a nightmare as a result of repression…if I do say so myself :razz:

I don’t think lucid dreaming is a sin, neither is pleasure, neither is sex after marriage. (And neither is going to the toilet for all of you who believe what the Simsons say)
I see nothing wrong with lucid dreaming, but as for the activities in the LD I think gunning down innocent children and enjoying it is still sick and evil, as to what Jeff said before about killing all the people when you change dreamscenes, that’s not bad you’re not really since they don’t exist but in the case of gunning down innocents is more the fact you’re enjoying breaking the first commandment. As for sex in an LD I have no idea, beause I don’t think sex is inherantly evil it makes it difficult to decide, however I’m only 14 and I’m not really likely to be doing that in an LD soon so I have time to decide :smile:.

These are just my opinions, I am Catholic, and thus my view will be very different to a muslim or a buddist, and you are all entitled to your opinion.

if we have to wait to heaven to enjoy ourselfs then why bother living, i mean its not painful but theres no point and eventually it is painful because you get so bored you die of boardem.if thats the case then we are all for gods entertainment

“good things come to those who wait” hmm … guess people don’t believe in this anymore… besides who says you can’t enjoy yourself? I don’t remember reading that anywhere?

But see, that’s the thing about some sins, they shouldn’t be sinful.
Take sex for example, here are my reason it shouldn’t be sinful;

  1. It is essential for human survival. Without it we would go extinct.

  2. It is good for you, you burn more colouries while having sex than you do on a treadmill for 1/2 an hour.

  3. It’s fun :cool_laugh:

  4. It is great to give an already stable relationship a kick up a notch. It can help you feel very close to your partner, which is a beautiful feeling.

So, why should it be sinful? “Because Jesus said so,” is not an acceptable answer to me, afterall, he only actually said about 20% of what he is supposed to have said in the bible.
My point is, think for yourself. If you think, “Oh I can go shoot up a place in an LD and its not real so that’s okay,” that’s your descision. I woudn’t do it, but I’m not you and I havent thought about it like you have.
The only real sins in LDs are the ones that we decide upon, and ofcouse those will all be different depending on who you talk to.

I still haven’t formulated my opinions on this matter (talking about what you do in an LD), because there’s a few different ways to see this. For Christians, it is said that the thought or will to do something is just as bad as the thing itself, because it is the same intention to do something against what God wants for you. But then again, I suppose if you had the urge to do anything sinful or just plain bad, the best place to do it would be in an LD, to get it out of your system. But I’m still not sure.

Well. LDing probably is a sin acording to the bibel.

But i could not care less about anny thing in the world.
I dont belive in god.
And if im wrong… well then im just gonna have to burn in hell for all eternety.

well, I think in song of songs in the bible says ‘my heart awakened in a dream’. This could be looked upon as a lucid dream…

And, if God gave us dreams, how could they be a sin?

The Church may say dreaming is a Sin, but the Church was made for Man not Man for the Church, just as the Sabbath was made for Man not Man for the Sabbath.

I don’t think that there was much publicity on LD’s in Ancient times so i doubt that they are gonna be mentioned in the bible. Also, even with the whole “shooting up innocents” thing i think that you probably shouldn’t do that and that if you do you’re a pretty violent person, however, if it stops you from going mad and killing people in RL then that’s infinitly better and also the only sin I know of that is based on thought is coveting.

You probably aren’t going to burn in hell, because the bible doesnt say anything about NOT worshipping god, it simply forbids you from worshipping other false gods/making and worshipping graven images, If someone condemns you simply point that out :tongue:

Whoever claimed sex was sinful? Could someone point me to the relevant bible quote?
Quite in contrary, I think it is something like a religious duty to ensure the survival of the species. “Be fruitful and multiply”. Wasn’t it straight in the beginning of that big book?

Well, the bad news is that sex before the marriage is a sin. And using condomes / other preventives, too. However, I don’t know if those things are based on the bible, and many christians in probably couldn’t care less…

As for gunning down people in an LD, it depends on the intention behind it. Somewhere in the mass the community says “I sinned in thoughts, words ans deeds” or similar. A sin always begins as a thought (i think a dream can be likened to a thought). If you take pleasure in the thought, you might make it reality. So, if you gun down people in an LD because you would like to do it IRL, or maybe find out in your dream that you would like, this makes it a sin.

Just my tho cents, and IANAT (I am not a theologist)

MedO

Well, forgive the unbeliever but I think anybody telling somebody their imagination is gonna cause them time in purgatory is very cruel. Imagination was put there by God to be used to let this kinda stuff out among other things. There is a story, I think about Jung, who had all this guilt about a sudden vision of God taking a dump on a church or something and then he started laughing as he realized how foolish he was being for worrying about it so much