The BIG "Was this a LD?" topic - Part II

Basilus_West · October 24, 2005, 2:13pm

Hi MiTcHy!
Yes, they looked like LD’s. And I think there is no special explanation to what happened, cause LD’s are often weird. About shaking, chest pressure and “black void”, they are quite typical signs of a WILD, though you were DILD’ing, but it may happen when you are in a state in which you’re half aware of your dream and half aware of your body.

MiTcHy · October 25, 2005, 10:36am

Cool Thanks tonnes for that Basilus West

kitkat_neko · October 26, 2005, 11:58am

Hello everyone, newbie here!

I’ve been reading ld4all for several days now, ever since a friend tipped me to the wikibook about Lucid Dreaming and I followed a link to here. I’ve allways read about dreaming, lucid dreaming, and the such, but I’ve only been tracking my dreams in paper/net (and not just in my nmind) ever since reading that wikibook…
I’ve been half-trying to have an LD for about 5-6 days or so, first time actually reading on it a lot before bed, then I sort of gave up when the second day it didn’t work. After that I started falling asleep thinking I just had to remember my dreams, and have been recalling at least 3 a night (so far, anyway) with a WBTB technique that just… comes natural. I don’t even read about lucidity when I get up, just go to the bathroom and go back to bed to sleep.

I wasn’t particularly trying to have an LD at all tonight, but I think I did anyway.
Now, after reading this topic, I’ve come to the conclusion what I had last night (or should I say this morning) was actually an LD (I still have slight doubts though).-
I’ll just copy up what I typed on my journal:

Apparently I was sort of waking up, as I could hear my sister moving about getting ready for work. I really really didn’t want to wake up, seeing as I had woken shortly before that. I seem to ’see’ or feel her close the door to the bedroom, probably because of the light so I could sleep, and that’s where it gets freaky.(I’m thinking the closing the door thing was probably a way for the dream not to ’see’ what was outside my bedroom and realize the FA right away).

I’m -sure- I open my eyes. The room seems a bit of an odd shade of… darker than usual, but that’s not quite odd to me. I get up, though I don’t really remember doing so exactly. I see some money where I usually leave it on a drawer stand, but it’s not as I left it. Which is impossible considering I have OCD and the possition that was in would freak me out, as it was easily placed to drag and accidentally throw to the ground if someone bumped on the drawer stand.

Something tips me off, though I’m not sure what it is. I suddenly think I really need to make a reality check! So I look down at my hands and press a finger to my palm. I feel myself frown as the RC doesn’t quite work, BUT…… it feels weird. Different than when I did it IRL (as if the finger -wanted- to go through, but I wouldn’t let it, probably because it’d feel creepy). So I just look at my hands for a moment. Suddenly it seems to click on me. “Hey… my right hand has… ” and counting I got to nine fingers (I didn’t seem to be able to count by just looking the first time, so I had to touch each finger, probably because I didn’t want to believe my eyes). It freaked me out a little (specially when all ‘felt’ real), but it was just a split second, as I went “can’t be!” and looked again. Didn’t count, but it was obviously more than normal. Again: Six. Looked again. Five, but my left hand had seven. I decided it was better to stop looking, else I’d freak out again.

I looked at the money again, doubtful. I was still hesitating. Was I actually having a lucid dream?? I decided to test it out, but apparently a bill with coins on top of it was too big for me to move with my mind. I tried hand gestures to help (five fingers! I hope… ) and that didn’t help. So I tried with a 0.10 cents coin, which is fairly small, and I could move it with just my thought! I ended up getting the coins into place, but somehow the bill I wasn’t sure how to make move.
I decide to shrug that aside, and suddenly I’m standing -on- my bed.

I’m looking around, the room suddenly more bright in lightning. I’m like “Well! I took control of my dream! What the can I do now?!” I think… and think… and think…. and nothing comes to mind. What a waste!
So I decide to cut by the healthy. “Let’s summon someone.”
At saying that I swore I could hear my mom talking to someone outside the room, which is impossible considering she’s dead, and no one was home anyway to be having a conversation. I shake my ehad to that, which makes it go away, and think “she’s not the one I wanted to summon.”

I look before me and try with all my might to summon Gravel (a RP character of mine… hey, it’s a dream, he could perfectly well be there, and was the first that popped into my mind!). I try perhaps too hard, because I sense something, but nothing happens. I think “okay, maybe I can try to fly.” But knew that was a bit unlikely to happen on your first lucid dream. So instead I jump. Indeed the jump works as I had read some would on an RC. I slowly rose up, and hovered a bit in the air. It was freaking me out that I was taking a biiiit more than it was comfortable to me for going down, so I ‘made’ myself go back down. I remember the small feeling of starting to fall down, though just realized I was already standing after thinking it. Fairly cool.Creepy, but cool. I think what else to do, but no idea comes to mind anymore (not that it did before. Boy is it hard to think straight in your dreams).

Frustrated, and not knowing what to do, I went with the next most popular thing I read on ld4all: Sex. Sure, they said you’d more than likely wake up because of the feeling, but… maybe if I focused on that all else would change.
It did help. I thought “I’d like Gackt (the singer) to appear!” (first that popped into mind as I had been talking about him during the evening). Before I could finish saying it, I’m in some odd sort of public bathroom (with a really cool yellowish theme going on), and Gackt walks through the door! I’m like “What am I doing here? Oh, who cares. GACKT!”
Boy am I pathetic. Well, at this, a couple times already I had felt like I would wake up, so just in case I rubbed my hands toghether, at least 2-3 times by now… and it seemed to work as I kept dreaming.,… or maybe I wasn’t waking at all. Who knows?

Anyway…. I walk to gackt, and he seems to know me/be cool with me. In fact, he’s the one that’s all over me before I can try anything! Not that I’m complaining.
Halfway through trying to kiss me, his face changes to Hide (another singer I had been talking about the past evening). He was saying something on why was I pulling back and if I preferred Hide to him.
Oookay.
Eventually he (Gackt, looking like Gackt) pulls back, and Hide appears aswell. Now they both want to get down with me (but do nothing this time, we just talk a little), and I don’t want to, lol, damn dream fixated with me getting some.
Then a random old guy appears and moves to wash his hands, and we 3 are like “who the heck invited you?” and then his wife appears in what we -knew- was the man’s room and we looked at her aswell like that and like “What’s a woman doing HERE?” (Note: I -was- a woman/myself in this dream, so I don’t know what the point of that was… )
Well, I don’t really remember if something else happened. I know I rubbed my hands toghether somewhere through that and they didn’t think it was strange, heh. Not like it was cold or anything.

I decide I had enough of two J-rockers trying to get on my pants and since I don’t know what else to do with my dream I might aswell wake up. So, according to that, my dream changes back to my bedroom. I stand there, willing myself to wake up, but it won’t work! I freak out a little. I don’t want to dream anymore! (note that freak out means basically get a bit desperate/scared, but just stand there calmly and with a perplexed expression). I remember another thing said on the ld4all forums, and lay down in my bed to sleep. I try to will myself into waking up, but it won’t work.
I knew this wasn’t reality. Reality don’t swap places and certanly not change how many fingers you have. I close my eyes, which still doesn’t wake me… and after a moment I finally seem to drift off.

That’s when I open my eyes.
Boy was I relieved that I woke/upset that I wasted most of my LD.

Actually, rubbing my hands toghether in the dream hurted a little, for some reason. The rest of the feelings just felt real…. but odd. Particularly those made by RCs.

So, that was a LD, right? Did it felt like a normal dream when I woke up just because I was on low lucidity level?
And why couldn’t I move the money with my thought? That sure pissed me off. I knew I should be able to but couldn’t! Same with summoning the character…

And what I’m -really- curious about is: Why did my hands hurt when rubbing them?

Thanks for reading!

Edit: I had to keep reminding myself this was a dream when my dream automatically changed something without my consentment.

Basilus_West · October 26, 2005, 6:54pm

Hi kitkat_neko! Welcome to LD4all!

No doubt, it was a lucid dream, and you even have had a great one for your beginnings! Congrats!

I’m not sure to understand your question. The important thing in a LD is that you feel like present when it happens. When you wake up, of course, it’s a dream. But perhaps are you right and your lucidity level was not so high. What would surprise me a little cause you seems to have good reactions in it.

You managed to summon Gackt, didn’t you? I think it’s a good result. Lucidity doesn’t necessary mean control. You often have to trick your dream in order to obtain what you want. For instance, transforming objects instead of creating them, or looking for a character to appear behind a door instead of making it appear in front of you.

It’s curious. I don’t know. It won’t probably occur in your next LD.

I hope you’ll have soon new LD’s to tell us!

kitkat_neko · October 26, 2005, 7:08pm

Thank you for the welcome and congratulations!

Well I meant (and apology in advance for anything that sounds odd, english isn’t my first language, and I write a little quirky when excited or upset ), the dream, although I was lucid, felt a little -too- much like a dream. Perhaps it’s because I was expecting the LD to feel way more real, yet I didn’t pay enough attention to my surroundings (which would have made it feel more unreal).
I felt present alright! After the freakiness from having 9 fingers passed (and not being able to float back down right away), it was pretty cool, and I can’t wait to do it again

I apparently did.

Looking back to it, I think I was putting too much effort into the things that didn’t work out (summoning the character, moving the bill), but the other things that I had only thought about seemed to work far better.

And… Gackt did appear from a door, and not just in front of me.

I guess I didn’t do that bad for a first experience, eh? I’m really excited about it all. I had only once changed a dream (sort of rewinded it several times because I didn’t like how it was coming along)but I wasn’t LD back then until after I rewinded it about 9 times and was about to wake up.

It was quite weird. My fingertips sort of hurted when I rubbed my palms toghether Well, if anything, the pain sort of made me feel more lucid… and curse, once.

I just kept getting the feeling I wasn’t going to be able to undo things though. (Like the hovering thing, that I’d never go back down, or the falling asleep to wake up thing, I thought I’d sleep forever. )
Is it usual to think so irrationally?

Basilus_West · October 26, 2005, 7:35pm

Neither it’s mine. I think you speak english very well… but an english person would be a better judge than me!

Yes, you managed very well !

It’s very common. I think I’ve never had a very rational thinking in my lucid dreams. And most often, I don’t remember my dream goals or I don’t know what to do next. It’s possible though if you have a high lucidity level. Some people do some maths, or just shout “Increase lucidity!”.

Good luck on your next attempts!

kitkat_neko · October 26, 2005, 7:40pm

Hey, thanks!

How frustrating that is. I knew in my dream I wanted to do a lot of things and I couldn’t come up with almost anything. (Makes me glad I had that chat about Gackt the night before or that wouldn’t have occured to me).

I think my next dream goal will be to remember my dream goals.

acuatia · October 28, 2005, 4:38pm

I don’t really know if this was an LD or not, but when I woke up during the night a few weeks ago, I looked at my door (which I always keep open) and saw my mom’s silhouette standing in front of it (I asked her if she was in my room that night and she wasn’t). A second later, I felt someone touching me and it sent chills down my body. When I “woke up” I could still feel the spot where I was touched and feel the chills leaving my body. I was in the same position and looking at the same place I had been in my “dream”. I don’t know if this was really an LD because I’ve never had one with such exact detail before. I know I wasn’t exactly awake because I saw everything so clearly and I have to wear glasses to do that in RL.

Petter · October 28, 2005, 4:49pm

Well , I think it wasn`t an LD if you just sensed that something were rare , but it is a big step towards lucidity !.

And it was a very nice dream !

Basilus_West · October 28, 2005, 5:55pm

Hi acuatia!

I don’t think it was a lucid dream. It looks like a false awakening. Sometimes, false awakenings are amazing, cause your consciousness is quite similar to the waking state consciousness. Though those conscious dreams are very particular, they aren’t exactly “lucid”, cause the definition of lucidity implies you have to realize you’re dreaming.

acuatia · October 28, 2005, 9:48pm

Ok, thanks. I just wasn’t sure.

foureyedsnail · November 2, 2005, 7:10am

Hey all! Newbie here…

I’ve had a sparse few lucid dreams in my lifetime–wish they were more, indeed–and just found this site; am definitely interested in some of these techniques.

I shan’t bore you with recounting my first lucid dream–I was very young and terrified of nightmares, and had to convince myself they were dreams with little mantras and reality checks… ah, didn’t know it at the time, but it did cure the nightmares.

Anyway, I want to recapture that desperately! So, here’s my deal…I often have dreams where I do something like an RC (I plug my nose and blow constantly in real life, it’s a quirk), or (very often) realize that I’m, say, in a comedy club, the jokes are TERRIBLE… apparently I’m absolutely un-funny while asleep… and hit that “Oh, dang, is this just a dream?” phase.

I doubt that’s true lucidity, because no, I’m not really BELIEVING it yet. Of course, this is just sort of normal… I didn’t realize that lucidity was even a goal to be attained… so what would be effective in getting me that last step, should I find myself in one of the aforementioned dreams again?

Thanks very much!

Basilus_West · November 2, 2005, 5:12pm

Hi foureyedsnail!

As you said, you “didn’t realize that lucidity was even a goal to be attained”. I suppose now you know it, wanting to reach this goal and just continuing practising what you were doing (RC’s and little mantras) will give you lucid dreams easily.

Petter · November 5, 2005, 8:59am

Hi

Well I had this "dream " .
In the morning i lay and stretched , falling asleep, waking up …
It`s wekend !
Then I had some dreams which I awoke from , I still could see my DB but more as something very vague . not Vivid at ALL !
When i rubbed my hands i felt the warmth and continued .And the DB became a little bit more in focus . But not much I kind off felt the warmth in my real hands ! My RB was in main focus , I Even movd myself to new positions and stuff .

My question is :

Is this very good fantasi or a LD `?

mystic · November 5, 2005, 11:04am

You mean you rubbed your hands after waking up? It could have been a FA in which you were both aware of dream body and real body. This is not uncommon, but can be pretty confusing if one doesn’t realize what’s going on.
From your account I can’t tell if it was a LD. Did you REALIZE you were dreaming, or did you just rub your hands in a kind of automatic action, without realizing what and why you’re doing it?

Petter · November 5, 2005, 3:46pm

It wasn`t a FA .
I think .

I laid in my bed .
It was like waking up , but the DB was still there .
Kind off.
Ifelt my RB and everything , actually I moved too .
But I could still feel my DB .
I knew it was some sort of dream .
That`s why i rubbed my hands .(with the DB)
But I felt in my Real hands too !
I know this may be VERY confusing …

And there were no surroundings , just black eyelids and both bodies .

mystic · November 5, 2005, 6:59pm

Either you woke up irl, or you woke up in FA. If you woke up irl, you must have noticed some SP sensations, but I haven’t seen anything of those in your account. Plus, you knew it was some kind of dream, leaving me to conclude it was some kind of FA. Why do you think it wasn’t a FA?

Petter · November 5, 2005, 7:10pm

Well 2 of them cant I tell you that I wasnt in FA …
But the last on had I right before raising from the bed and starting the day .
But I`ll start RCing in the morning .
It was really weird !

I had NO SP
Di`d even move .
But i still felt my DB…
And my RB .
I felt my RB the most ut I still could feel the warmth in my hands in the DB .

mystic · November 5, 2005, 7:17pm

Perhaps they were strong hypnopompic hallucinations happening after SP was already shutdown. Hypnopompia are like hypnagogia, but hypnopompia occur during waking up in the morning. If that’s the case, you were truly between sleeping and waking, a state in which the mind is highly influenced by dream fragments, memory traces and hallucinatory visuals.

Petter · November 5, 2005, 8:38pm

Ok.
Thanks for all help !
The rare thing is that I could move my DB !
But , thanks for all the help !

Can I post them in the competition For november ?