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Reaper
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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

Well, I'm still having trouble with LDing, WILD still seems like my most likely course of LDing, but I still can't get there, I've tried; right as I'm first going to sleep, after about 4-6 hours, various other times of waking up during the night, during a nap, during the day, but none of them have been successful, I feel that I"m just too away and can't go to sleep, my body is relaxed, and sleep paralysis is fairly easy, and I can get to the beginning of seeing HI, but that's about as far as I can get, I never fully fall asleep, can someone give me any pointers.

Also on the saliva issue, if I leave my mouth closed it builds up, but if I leave my mouth open(more comfortable for me), my mouth drys up, and I eventually have to move my mouth and lips to wet it.


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

At the moment, I've only experienced 2 spontaneous WILDs. Both have some features in common:

1. Both WILDs happened after a LD.
2. Both LDs ended between 6 and 8 am.
3. After every LD, I woke up and thought about the dream. More precisely: the emotions that I felt in my LDs.
4. In about 5 minutes I fell sleep and entered directly into another LD, that was unstable and short.

Hope that helps!



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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

Reaper wrote:
sleep paralysis is fairly easy, and I can get to the beginning of seeing HI, but that's about as far as I can get, I never fully fall asleep, can someone give me any pointers.

If you get into SP easily you could try the "rolling out" tech, I wrote a guide to this here. I would also still advice that you keep trying WILD after WBTB or after waking up during the night. Good luck!


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

I have the problem of that when just entering HI, i try to focus it instead of just carrying on counting sadblauw

then my mind becomes too active and i have to start over again.

i have never gotten past HI (not that i have been trying for very long)

Do i just need more willpower to carry on counting?


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PostPosted: Wed 19 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

Actually, the counting is usually used to make you go into relaxation faster while also keeping your mind awake. When you reach the stage of SP and HI, you're usually relaxed enough for the next stage of WILD. Generally speaking, counting doesn't help here anymore because it keeps your mind too focused, too aware. If your mind becomes too active, try to let things go more. The key is to stay focused on one thing.. don't push it, but remain aware of it on a very low level. This really takes a lot of practice and experimenting on how far you can go with the level of your awareness. It's also best to focus on dream-related stuff, like a dream scene, a dream object you visualize before your eyes, but it can also be something like spinning sensations which can make you roll out of your body straight into the dream. Some people also use the HI: pick one particular HI scene without trying to get attached with it or interact with it actively. Instead, observe it passively and use your mind to zoom in on it, gently and without forcing it. But remain passively focused on it. This will cause the HI to surround you fully until it stabilizes into a full blown dream.
Various methods are possible as you can see, but it's up to you to experiment with them and experience what fits best for you. In any case, I think counting is only suitable for the first phase of WILD. Afterwards you need to lower your awareness to make the transition from waking to dreaming, and counting often requires too much awareness for this purpose.

Hope this helped a bit.
Good luck :D


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Xazlael
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

mystic:

Thankyou for the help, i think this is what i am doing wrong, i need to relax more siiw

I will let you know how i get on wink5


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Ghazal
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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

Didn't do too badly with WILD last night, got to a stage where i saw my Hypnagogic Images turn into proper pics :D

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wasisme
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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

when i wild what kind of movement should i focus on i dont really like the walking down stairs thing is there anything else you whould recomend

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Ghazal
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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

wasisme wrote:
when i wild what kind of movement should i focus on i dont really like the walking down stairs thing is there anything else you whould recomend



I count down from 100 down to 1, from 1 back up to 100, back down to 1. Lather rinse and repeat...


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

You may focus on the falling feeling (sort of creating it then intensifying it) or the floating movement.

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PostPosted: Thu 27 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

Is it best to get out of your bed and stay awake for 10 minutes before trying WILD with WBTB? Or should you try to not move at all when you wake up? I have that if you move your chances of succeeding are reduced, but i have also read that you should get up and do RC's and read about LDs

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

Hey, whats up?

I had a weird experience last night. I was half asleep, and i suddenly slipped into a dream. I was in my school art room and was looking at the paintings, something triggered in my head that it was a dream. Having nothing innovative to do i turned to a girl and punched her in the head (As hard as i could). This made my arm flinch and woke me up....

Does anyone know what this could have been? maybe my first WILD???

Any comments would be great
-Cheers.......


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whispa
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PostPosted: Sat 29 Oct, 2005  Reply with quote

Taipan wrote:
I was half asleep, and i suddenly slipped into a dream.

If you were completely aware all of the time you spent falling asleep then it could be a WILD.


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Taipan
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

hey dreamers!

The other day, i was pretty bored, so i thought id try a mid day WILD. I lay in my bed and put my head phones on (listening to 'Lucid Trance Music' which basically repeats things like 'you are dreaming' etc..)

I did this for about half an hour and started to see some HI and my body went numb and started getting mega twitchy, but i could 'get myself over the edge'. I had the feeling i was almost in a dream, but i couldnt do it.

Then i started thinking about what i was going to do if/when i got into an LD. I started thinking about looking at my hands, so i looked down at them. I was thinking to myself, "yeh, they look pretty normal....." then i realised my eyes were closed!!!but i think i got excited and went back to my past state........damn.....

Was this the beginning of a WILD? Im really confused. If not, can someone give me some pointers???

-Cheers


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Animahngo
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Reaper wrote:

Also on the saliva issue, if I leave my mouth closed it builds up, but if I leave my mouth open(more comfortable for me), my mouth drys up, and I eventually have to move my mouth and lips to wet it.



I feel its better to close your mouth, then sorta of suction cup your tongue so the tip is on the back of the teeth and it sort of takes up all the space in your mouth going from there...You know what I mean?


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