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The BIG sleep paralysis and old hag topic Part II

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Basilus West
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

There is still an incredible confusion between Old Hag/sleep paralysis trouble and HH/WILD. I've about 100 LD's and never saw any Old (nor Young) Hag. Most of the WILD'ers never experienced Old Hag, unless they had the sleep paralysis trouble before and became lucid dreamers later.

The Old Hag syndrome is probably due to the melatonine rate. And even despite this, most of the sleeped paralyzed people never experienced Olg Hag, so that just about 1% of the population are subject to the OH syndrome. By the way, they do no more see an Old Hag, they generally see little green men. lachgroen


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Well, all the scientific research being conducted with Old Hag experiences have pointed to a combination of HH and SP.

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Hypnagogic and hypnopompic experiences (HHEs) accompanying sleep paralysis (SP) are often cited as sources of accounts of supernatural nocturnal assaults and paranormal experiences. Descriptions of such experiences are remarkably consistent across time and cultures and consistent also with known mechanisms of REM states. A three-factor structural model of HHEs based on their relations both to cultural narratives and REM neurophysiology is developed and tested with several large samples. One factor, labeled Intruder, consisting of sensed presence, fear, and auditory and visual hallucinations, is conjectured to originate in a hypervigilant state initiated in the midbrain. Another factor, Incubus, comprising pressure on the chest, breathing difficulties, and pain, is attributed to effects of hyperpolarization of motoneurons on perceptions of respiration. These two factors have in common an implied alien "other" consistent with occult narratives identified in numerous contemporary and historical cultures. A third factor, labeled Unusual Bodily Experiences, consisting of floating/flying sensations, out-of-body experiences, and feelings of bliss, is related to physically impossible experiences generated by conflicts of endogenous and exogenous activation related to body position, orientation, and movement. Implications of this last factor for understanding of orientational primacy in self-consciousness are considered. Central features of the model developed here are consistent with recent work on hallucinations associated with hypnosis and schizophrenia.


From: "Hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations during sleep paralysis: neurological and cultural construction of the night-mare." - Cheyne, 1999


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PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I used to always have old hags when i was young. They would normally turn up as a big scary animal like a black bear or a gigantic wolf. And the weird thing was that they always used to happen whenever i changed around the positions of my room. And they used to scare the living day out of me..... so now everytime i have my room switched i get kinda scared
But i do want to experience it again though cause i reckon now that i know about LD'ing i could possibly change the old hag into something else. I remember them being really really vivid to.... and i would always wake up just as the old hag had attacked me.
I did have sleep paralysis about a month ago aswell, it was an attempt at WILD, and i was in a dream involving weird things, and i had a recording playing in my headphones repeating the words "you are dreaming", and during the dream, i heard this and went Lucid ^^ But then everything went black and i could feel my normal body again, but my eyes were closed tight and i was shaking violently, then i felt a humoungous pressure on my chest, but still couldnt see anything... then i thought to myself that i could be on the verge on an OBE, so i tried to "jump" out of my body, but just would myself up sadblauw

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Yes, but I think that the SP they talk about is not the dumbness you feel when you fall asleep (unless you have the SP trouble and thus SP episodes when you fall asleep, like Julian D. Iron).

I asked the question there: WILD, do you really have sleep paralysis. This thread got very few answers so that I suppose that people really feeling complete paralysis during WILD are very few. It seems that Xetrov and Popov agree with me. Moreover, WILD HH are quite different from SP trouble HH. In WILD, you see them in front of your eyes. In a few severe cases of SP trouble, it looks more like a LD, you sometimes see your bedroom and someone inside.

So I would like to stop this (silly?) confusion between the Olg Hag syndrome, i.e. the sleep paralysis trouble with severe hallucinations and what you can experience during WILD.


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ok im a little freaked out about this whole "old hag" thing. should i really be scared though? I need advice! Does it only happen when you do Wild or does it happen when you try to lucid dream period? I have been researching lucid dreams a while now but still havent had one but i am curious about this topic. help!

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dragon_dreams wrote:
ok im a little freaked out about this whole "old hag" thing. should i really be scared though? I need advice! Does it only happen when you do Wild or does it happen when you try to lucid dream period? I have been researching lucid dreams a while now but still havent had one but i am curious about this topic. help!


Heh...Old hag should be considered a good experiance, you could imagine something else...heh...


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PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I liken being scared of 'Old Hag' to the same as being scared of watching a scary movie. It's fiction, you're only affected to a certain degree by how much you belive the experience is real.

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dragon_dreams wrote:
ok im a little freaked out about this whole "old hag" thing. should i really be scared though? I need advice! Does it only happen when you do Wild or does it happen when you try to lucid dream period? I have been researching lucid dreams a while now but still havent had one but i am curious about this topic. help!

Dragon_dreams, do you have read the post I wrote just above yours? Old Hag is an hallucination which occurs when you're subject to a sleep trouble which is due to the melatonine rate cycle. If you haven't a severe case of this sleep trouble, you're likely to never see an old hag.

By the way, Old Hag is totally old-fashioned. Nowadays, sleep paralyzed people see ET's.


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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I disagree with the current thinking on "old hag". As I said before, I believe that experiencing strange phenomenon in your bedroom can be simply proven to be a lucid dream by means of a reality check. The next time you experience this pinch your nose shut. If you can still breathe through your pinched nose you are dreaming.

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

StEvE21,
Sleep paralysis usually begins with vibrations. When you are totaly relaxed you may begin to feel a vibration state creeping up on you. If you feel this, don't fight it, go with the flow and let it intensify. It can become almost unbearbly intense - this is good and will lead to a lucid dream if you go with the flow.
Happy days.


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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

There was one time when I felt a presence in my room. I was in sleep paralysis: I could distinctly remember not being able to move; and there was this white-valed entity walking back and forth behind me - and me unable to turn around and look. It was very paranormal!

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I forgot about this topic. Oh well, i understand what old hag is now, and should this be combined with The big old hag and sleep paralysis topic?

<mod>Topic merged.</mod>


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PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I don't know why there is so much myth surrounding "Old Hag"
If you experience this state you ARE lucid dreaming. The experience of being in your bedroom is a dream experience, no matter how real it may feel - a simple reality check will prove it.


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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

People, there is no such thing as the "Old Hag". It's just me. I like to dress up in ladies' clothing and sit on your bed. Is that such a crime?

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PostPosted: Sat 10 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

I'm not going to read this topic, hell, I never read stickies... especially on this site.

But I can say that the Hag is real, and frightening. You have to experience it to truely understand it... wow.

I had it last night.


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