LD's drove my friend insane

I agree, Med0 :good:

I read that Schizophrenia is in fact an umbrella term for quite a variety of mental disorders.

To quote Patrick Holford in his book, Optimum Nutrition for the Mind:

I just read in my book ‘Lucid Dreaming’ by Celia Green & Charles McCreery, that Lucid dreaming can be of benefit to schizophrenics.

I think it was more likely a coinicidence that he had an interest in lucid dreaming and the mental illness was already there. I hope your friend is doing ok.
I also disagree with n00dle. The idea of lucid dreams and waking life being indistinguishable, to me, is more about a lack of control and not a pleasurable state to be in.

So your friend was hallucinating that he was in a dream. He mispercepted the surroundings…

I agree with everyone disagreeing with me. grins and keeps stirring the pot

It’s a shame what happened, yes. But just remember dreams don’t have to be wacky. And if you were unable to distinguish dream from reality, then you’d have enough control of it to not make a mess of whatever reality you previously believed you had. Upgrading your conciousness doesn’t always mean danger, but sometimes it can be. I hope your friend sorts himself (inside and out). :smile:

Ok, i’m sorry if this is real, which i’m becoming more and more attuned to, and my orginal post was under the thought that you were an attention whore. we get a lot of them at newgrounds, so the transition was weird. I’m real sorry about your friend if this is real, which i’m starting to think it is.

Ok all of those who want to have some understanding about schizophrenia you should check out this amazing movie.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/

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Indeed that is a great movie. I sometimes associate him with John Nash from A Beautiful Mind.

I think your friend was insane, and he happened to also be into LD. LD didn’t make him insane.

I think his friend’s state was the other end of the spectrum from enlightenment. In a dream, you gain full control when you become lucid. When this guy’s barrier between dreams and “real life” dissolved, it doesn’t sound like he became lucid. It sounds like he got his waking life sucked into a state of dreamliness. Now his waking life is out of his conscious control. All lucidity is gone. He’s trapped in a dream, and it’s not a lucid one.

Some door shouldn’t be opened if you’re not ready. If you stare into the abyss, it stares back into you.

Well said, sage. :yes:

From reading the thread…

This seems it coulda been a gift to the guy…

I would like to achieve this state, and maintain myself enough to not Seem like a total NUT JOB to society… don’t wanna be in a cell with padded walls :cool: … Like keep it under-wraps a bit. :wink:

But yeah, Wayne Dyer, talks in one his books in your life becoming Awake, and in the Dream state at the same time.

And totally agree with the observer thing(Wayne Dyer also talks about this). If your friend was just witnessing/observing what was happening to himself he would be a lot more chilled out and would come up with a solution to all of this.

Do you mean that you could be in a constant LD and could control everything but to everyone else it would look as if you were just acting normal?

To say LDs made your friend insane is like saying video games makes people violent.

A lot of people have already said things to the effect of what I’m about to say, so I’ll keep it fairly brief; view this as my drop in the collective bucket of this viewpoint.

It’s important to remember in all this that, although your friend’s schizophrenia was based on LDing, the disorder results from real, physical chemical imbalances in the brain (commonly thought to be of dopamine); as such, if your friend was going to become a schizophreniac, anything could’ve theoretically become the basis for his schizophrenic fantasies. If he had been really interested in something completely different, like, say, the oppression of Tibet by China, and had never heard of LDing, he might’ve instead become convinced that every country in the world was secretely conspiring to take down Tibet and that every government official the world over was in on the plot.

As such, I think it’s fair to say that his schizophrenia was based on LDing, but not that it triggered it; rather, the chemical imbalances present in his brain did. That’s the entire reason schizophrenia is treatable with medication; in many cases, when a schizophrenic is put on antipsychotic medication that regulates the brain’s dopamine neurotransmitter system (and seretonin, in the case of atypicals), their symptoms are frequently diminished, and in some cases disappear entirely. For this reason, saying that your friend’s scizophrenia was caused by LDing is, though understandable, somewhat unreasonable. As previously stated, anything might’ve become the basis for the disorder; but the cause of it is inevitably neurochemistry.

Omfg, that’s the most advanced talk about chemistry and scientific views on the body. :eek:

He did not go Insane becouse of lucid dreaming but lucid dreaming was his insanety…
That turnd out weard but what I am trying too say is that he whould hav gon insane anyway so if he had bin wery interested in someting else like a vidio game for example he whould maby tink he was in that game or someting like that.

One thing about all this mention of chemical imbalances in the brain… I was listening to an interview by the head of the American Psychological Association responding to Tom Cruise’s Today Show interview. And the APA guy basically said, yes, chemical imbalances are theoretical. We don’t actually know if they’re there, but the treatment works.

So basically, they’re giving you drugs to make you not act a certain way. What’s really going on in the “psychotic” mind, nobody really knows. It may have nothing at all to do with a chemical imbalance. …Something to think about.

WOW!