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Bikbau
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

Now that the topic has shifted, this is going to be slightly off-topic, but nevertheless:

I tried saying "I am Lucid" before going to sleep two nights ago after first reading this post and it worked wonderfully, giving me two lucid dreams (I should note that I've never had two lucid dreams in one night before). These two were very short (less than 1 dream minute) but my lucid dreams usually are anyway so this wasn't a problem at all (and I was very happy to get such great results from such a simple method). Now I tried this again last night and didn't get any lucid dreams, but now I just realized that the whole "I am lucid" thing did not really sink in as it should have. I said the words and all, but I don't think I grasped what they really meant. I think I grasp it now (I am lucid!) and will try this again tonight.

Thanks for your advice n00dle, I enjoyed reading your posts. smile


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ilovelucid
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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

i don't think it is intended to give you lucid dreams but to make you realize that you life is a dream and is as easily controlled as breathing

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"i also accept the fact that i create people who won't believe a single word I say. So those who disagree with me simply reinforce my beliefs."
So you are never wrong? Whatever you say, people will agree or disagree, or try to prove or disprove, but what they offer to you has no affect? Your mind is already set on everything, and those who disagree are wrong?
Also, saying "i create people" sounds kind of...odd eh neutral

I asked why people die from sickness, and you said:
"Because other people also create the same situation that i mention above."
If they have gone through the same situation as you, why are they dead and not you? Does this mean you will never die from sickness? or anything at all?

"Saving everyone isn't my goal, and i set people to not be saved for that reason. "
But if you WANTED to, could you heal someone? Do you determine who lives nad who dies?
Also, back to the "i create people" thing. What happens when you die? Does everyone else die (not from your perspective, from everyone else's perspective) too? Does everything cease to exist?


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

i agree with steve, your argument has a lot of flaws and quite amusing in ways..

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I said the words and all, but I don't think I grasped what they really meant. I think I grasp it now (I am lucid!) and will try this again tonight.


YES, now you are getting there. Good work Bikbau.


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i don't think it is intended to give you lucid dreams but to make you realize that you life is a dream and is as easily controlled as breathing


Almost. It's not specifically for lucid dreaming, it's a state of mind. But, lucid dreams allow us to control our dreams. So if you see that life is a dream, and you can make your life a -lucid dream-, then you have full control over it. (Thus allowing permanent, transparent autosuggestion that you shall always be lucid.)

But yes, on the right track.

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So you are never wrong? Whatever you say, people will agree or disagree, or try to prove or disprove, but what they offer to you has no affect?


Course I'm never wrong. In the creation of reality and such. I'm 'wrong' on many day to day things, because I choose to be. This isn't a stubborn egotistical statement. If you see earlier statements I say that i accept that i create people who disagree with me. What people have to offer is *VERY* important to me, especially those who i choose to disagree with me. They 'ground' me from possible harm, and keep my thoughts focused into a realm of ability that i have chosen for myself.

I am wrong often, so that I can learn to be right. But i am always right, in the fact that -i- can be right, or wrong.

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Your mind is already set on everything, and those who disagree are wrong?
Also, saying "i create people" sounds kind of...odd


My mind is certainly not set on everything. Else i wouldn't be alive to explore those things that aren't set. And yes, 'creating' people sounds just as odd as the action actually is smile

Odd is more honourable than 'normal' to me, because i am constantly encouraging my reality and the people around it to change and try new things. Lucid dreams are odd, because they 'dont do normal reality stuff'. That's why i LD. smile

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If they have gone through the same situation as you, why are they dead and not you? Does this mean you will never die from sickness? or anything at all?


No, because reality is relative to me. Nobody else will choose for me, that i will become sick. If i get sick, i chose to get sick, and if i didn't 'conciously' choose to get sick, then it is an attribute of denial or simply the fact that i programmed the random event of sickness into my reality.

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But if you WANTED to, could you heal someone? Do you determine who lives nad who dies?


I have healed many people, in many ways, among physical, emotional, mental, social and spiritual realms of health interest.
Yes, i determine who lives and who dies. However, I don't point my finger and say "You're dead now". But if i watch the news, and see that a person died in a car crash, i chose to create the event of me standing in my living room, watching the tv which i created, watching a series of visual and auditory events that ultimately lead me to have an emotional response.

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Also, back to the "i create people" thing. What happens when you die? Does everyone else die (not from your perspective, from everyone else's perspective) too? Does everything cease to exist?


Death is a symbolic moment in which a person's concious ability and terminal lifesigns fail for a length of tolerated time.

Because the concious ability is destroyed with 'death', there's no way I can be aware of my own death. Therefore i cannot die. I am merely concious and alive until further notice, at which point i will be unable to have any grip on conciousness, thus i will not be able to comprehend death itself.
In summary, to you, when/if i 'die' within your lifespan, you will see a dead body. But from my perspective, i am alive until a certain point in which my conciousness, reality and the entire universe is destroyed. So yes, everything ceases to exist.

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i agree with steve, your argument has a lot of flaws and quite amusing in ways..


A) there are no unintentional flaws, flaws which exist in my life are my doing, however my theory on life is flawless becase it is wholesome and encompasses flaws as well. (earlier statement, everything has loopholes, even loopholes)

B) your statement eludes to the fact that you find this funny, which is fantastic, since i created you to take my highly 'serious' theory on life, and poke a joke at it, to remind me of the importance of having fun in my own life.
So please, keep poking fun, because you're simply giving me more strength smile [truly sinscere thankyou!]


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

Noodle, you sure are a very interesting person. However, I refuse to accept you as my god. The one I already bow to is known to be jealous and has reportedly ordered entire cities destroyed in the past, so while I'd be interested in becoming your follower (if this included drinking large ammounts of beer), I'd rather take no chance.

Yours sincerely,
MedO



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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

MedO wrote:
Noodle, you sure are a very interesting person. However, I refuse to accept you as my god. The one I already bow to is known to be jealous and has reportedly ordered entire cities destroyed in the past, so while I'd be interested in becoming your follower (if this included drinking large ammounts of beer), I'd rather take no chance.


Your God's promise of heaven probably sounds nice, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster promises a heaven with a beer volcano and a stripper factory. Something to think about... wink


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

"my theory on life is flawless becase it is wholesome and encompasses flaws as well. "
OK, I guess nobody can argue with you about that...
Back to the part about you creating everything. If I came up to you on the street and kicked you in the leg 30 times, would you be mad at me? From what you said earlier, it sounds like if that were to happen, it would be because you chose for it to happen. So, a more general question, do you ever get mad ay anyone for anything?


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tris69
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

n00dle wrote:

B) your statement eludes to the fact that you find this funny, which is fantastic, since i created you to take my highly 'serious' theory on life, and poke a joke at it,


why would you 'create' me if I was only to laugh at your highly serious theory??


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ilovelucid
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

Everyone needs to read Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach, if they get the chance.

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