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LD count: 1 maybe 2 LDs
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What I find really annoying about my mind is that in order to think about LDs I almost have to try...it's not like it's naturally in my sub-conscious.
For example, today I was walking around and I was thinking about random stuff that happened today (breakfast, playing drums, etc.), and I had to actually say to myself (almost "interupt" my mind's natural fun) "Okay, I needa talk about LDs now". But I find it weird cause like, I'm obsessed with LDs, and I'm always on this site and stuff..
Does anyone else have this problem, or have a solution fir this problem?
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I am the same way...it's hard for my brain to remember to think LD thoughts when I am at work (and work takes up most of my day). I don't want to have to depend on external stimulii like writing a "C" for "consciousness" on my hand to remind me to be aware of myself (and my LD goals), I want it to come naturally. I guess this means I am not motivated enough to remember...but I always remember to smoke cigarettes so I must not be too forgetful.
Maybe that should be my reminder to think about LDs, whenever I smoke a cigarette, since it's something I do 10-15 times a day. Crappy reminder, that would be (still an external reminder and unhealthy but I'm not quitting smoking just yet), but whatever might work is a start.
I was going to go write "LD" on all my cigarette packs now, so every time I take one out if I see "LD" on it, I'll think about it but I still don't think I should have to write my reminders down, like that is a crutch that doesn't strengthen my awareness. I'll just have to have an intention to remember to think LD thoughts whenever I smoke. *sigh*
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| Posted: Thu 17 Nov, 2005 |
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I am the same way...it's hard for my brain to remember to think LD thoughts when I am at work (and work takes up most of my day). I don't want to have to depend on external stimulii like writing a "C" for "consciousness" on my hand to remind me to be aware of myself (and my LD goals), I want it to come naturally. I guess this means I am not motivated enough to remember... |
I have recently set the alarm on my watch so that it goes off every hour, prompting me to do a reality check (alarm beeps, do an RC, turn it off, reset it for an hours time). While it does seem counterproductive at first I find that during the hour in-between I am anticipating the alarm on my watch, and thus thinking about RC's more than I otherwise would. It's also working wonders with getting me into the habit of performing RC's, and fairly soon I'm certain I won't need the alarm to know that it's about time to perform one - maybe this could help you?
Apart from this it also drives your work colleagues, friends, family and partner mad, so that's definitely an added benefit. 
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| Posted: Tue 29 Nov, 2005 |
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| Dili Dali wrote: |
What I find really annoying about my mind is that in order to think about LDs I almost have to try...it's not like it's naturally in my sub-conscious.
For example, today I was walking around and I was thinking about random stuff that happened today (breakfast, playing drums, etc.), and I had to actually say to myself (almost "interupt" my mind's natural fun) "Okay, I needa talk about LDs now". But I find it weird cause like, I'm obsessed with LDs, and I'm always on this site and stuff..
Does anyone else have this problem, or have a solution fir this problem? |
Standard psychonautics issue.
In order to get anywhere, you have to learn to silence the internal dialogue.
If you really want the burn on that one, the only
way to silence the internal dialogue is to increase
the lucidity of the conversation with the subconscious mind- its a circular problem.
Ego mind and Reptilian Brain are both heavilly invested in keeping the Ego in the state of delusional isolation from the rest of the mind. Lucid
dreaming and lucid visualization change the power
structure of the psyche. The largest obstacles to Lucid dreaming and lucid visualization are the aspects of self whose sense of identity and contribution feel threatened by the mind learning to do things outside of the primary design parameters.
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Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Last Visit: 11 Dec 2005
Location: The Netherlands
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| Posted: Thu 01 Dec, 2005 |
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To bad my watch is broken right when I started to be intrested in this matter.. <=/ Using a watch that beeps every hour (mine could beep every half hour ^__^) would be a good idea to ensure you do RC on a regular basis.
I only wonder or you would still remember to do RC's in your dream, becouse your beep-alarm might not go off in your dream : )
once I got my watch fixed I will try it
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| Posted: Sat 03 Dec, 2005 |
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It's a bit annoying to do it continuously although i know that it is very helpful.i have on the screen on my mobile and every time i watch the hour i have to do the RC's..Anyway,i don't remeber my dreams the last days and it's extremely annoying as well.So i'll just do the RC's.
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| Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2005 |
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I've set the banner on my cell phone to read "Is this a dream?" (has to be the exact same number of characters as "Verizon Wireless")and used a dreamy photo as the background.
For the most part I just know that when I see a certain person I must be dreaming. Not sure what I'll do if I ever see her in real life again...probably check my watch a LOT!
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LD count: At Will
Location: Probably the Golf Course...or maybe the Lucid Crossroads
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| Posted: Thu 22 Dec, 2005 |
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In my opionion the biggest key is beleif and confidence. You have to get yourself to understand and honestly belive that it is easy to have lucid dreams which it is. Think about it, lucid dreaming is a mental thing and thus if you doubt your ability what are your odds of success?
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| Posted: Fri 23 Dec, 2005 |
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I think my greatest setback is the fact that I used to enter LDs naturally. I used to know I was dreaming because of the weird feeling of it. One day, I asked myself if I was dreaming and had no conclusive answer... and from then on it was harder and harder to get lucid. I so wished I had known about RC's before - I would be an expert LD'er by now, but I lost that.  So I keep expecting that it's gonna happen naturally, and that I'm gonna have to perform an RC to have an LD, but it doesn't happen.
You have to have a tremendous willstrengh to reaquier something you once had. Sure I wouldn't have had the idea of trying if people here weren't so entusiastic!
Good dreaming all!
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| Posted: Sat 21 Jan, 2006 |
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I have recently set the alarm on my watch so that it goes off every hour, prompting me to do a reality check |
*Whispa writes this down on her 'to do' list*
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In my opionion the biggest key is beleif and confidence. You have to get yourself to understand and honestly belive that it is easy to have lucid dreams which it is. |
I'm not at all confident in most things. But surprisingly, I have a positive attitude when it comes to lucid dreaming, which has definitely helped my progress. I don't doubt things will work or expect the worst all the time like i do in RL.
I really believe i could have long interesting LD's nearly every day if i only put more effort into it. That's my main problem - being too lazy
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LD count: 1 maybe 2 LDs
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| Posted: Sat 21 Jan, 2006 |
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I always tell myself I know I can become lucid and I will become lucid but confidence alone doesn't help me at all. Unless my subconscious is sneaking around behind my brain and doubting my conscious thoughts?  Maybe that's why for me, just thinking it's easy doesn't seem to help.
And I'm with you Whispa, I am just too lazy...I could be great at LDs too if I could just strengthen my will to put more effort into it.
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| Posted: Sat 21 Jan, 2006 |
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You guys seem to play against your subconscious! Don't do that! Play with them, ask them to give you an LD!
Most of my LDs were wishes granted—I like the name Snape gives to it: "autosuggestion".
But to get LDs that way, you must first become your SC's friend, and stop trying to hack it...
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| Posted: Sat 21 Jan, 2006 |
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So is it better to "ask" your SC for a LD or to "tell" it you will have one? Does it matter? (Are you saying you can't "command" your SC when you say "hack" it, Bruno?) It seems everything I've read about LDs says you should intend to become lucid but if you try too hard it might not work. There's a fine line there that I can't seem to find.
I had a LD once so it can't be that hard but that was a year ago so how do I become friends with my SC so I can join the lucid club? 
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| Bruno's right! |
| Posted: Sun 05 Feb, 2006 |
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Bruno's Right!
Play with it, them, yourself.
One thing that has struck me as an immense contradiction since I began reading many more of the posts here is how hard people work at making a very materialist thing out of something as insubstantial as dreaming, let alone lucid dreaming. When I say "insubstantial" I am using that word's more closely defined meaning of non-material, immeasurable.
Dreams are the stuff that heaven is made of. The dreamworld is the home of chimeras, of werewolves, of gods and demons and all the beings of fantasy and the divine. So why do so many seem intent on treating it as if it were something like learning how to drive a car?
If it isn't fun, why try? And like all mental skills, if you have no fun in the process, you will never reach the goal. People who find studying languages an odious chore, seldom speak one well let alone master a second, third or fourth.
PLAY! PLAY! PLAY!
Make trying to WILD or MILD, or BHAWILD* a game, and don't be hard on yourself when you fall short. If you approach it as an interesting activity, something fun to try and get at least some entertainment out of seeing the differences in the experience of trying from one night to another, you are 100 times more likely to succeed than when it is a complex process with a million rules to follow.
When I do it, I do not worry about if I feel the need to scratch. If an itchy calf causes me more distraction than I can ingore, I scratch. No cosmic rule has been broken. I can keep thinking and counting and all the other stuff I may be involved in while I rake my leg. If I find myself forgetting my assigned project more one night than another I find that interesting in itself, rather than a cause for concern. Directed play is so much more fun that even if you don't succeed, you can have fun trying. And you learn about consciousness along the way.
In some ways it is like making love. If you are busy worrying about technique, you might as well be doing pushups. Allow creativity and spontaneity to guide you and enjoy the experience. Anything less is a waste of energy and will leave you frustrated.
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*Banging head against wall induction of Lucid dream. Warning: don't really BHAWILD- it might cause braindamage and is contra-indicated it you rent your home; landlords want you to pay for the damage to the wall.
Eoghan
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| Posted: Thu 09 Feb, 2006 |
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Its like a little less than a month that I try OBE or AP (Astral Projection). Recently (5 days) I learned about lucid dreams. At my first attemp I was already doing them.
The first night I done a WILF , or a lucid dream that I was fully lucid when I entered it. My methos is RC sometime at each days and auto suggestion just a little bit before (and if I don't do AP) . Its so easy for me dont know why the first night I done 2 LD in a night and yesterday one . For me the technique that work isd trying to know its a dream and knowing if im able to fly. If im able Its a lucid dream.
Yesterday I tryed little trick telekinisis and flying and jumping technique . It worked a little that was cool.
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| Posted: Tue 14 Feb, 2006 |
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I've read that it took Stephen LaBerge 2.5 years before he could induce a lucid dream at will...so I guess I shouldn't be too hard on myself.
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