Muhammed Cartoons

Just out of general curiosity (no hostility intended), why would it be in somebodies religion that you can’t draw or depict the leading guy, the head honcho of a religion? Like why would it be considered an offense to draw Muhammid?

If free speech had limits, it wouldn’t be free speech, it would be limited speech. I am not racist, but I am proud of the fact that I have the right ot make bigoted comments angainst anyone I choose(I do not make these comments, I just like that I can).

Free speech doesn’t mean impunity for saying something. It means freedom to say things, but you’re still responsible for what you say.

Thus, if the muslims want to turn their faces to the guy who drew that or spit on his foot, they’re not going against any rules. I just think seting things on fire and killing people is a bit too exaggerated…

People are also free to make racist or even nazi comments in the street, but they’ll get arrested (which doesn’t mean they aren’t free to keep making remarks in prison).

Violating freedom of speech is not punishing people for what they said, but censoring. Censorship is what free speech protects you from, not punishment. :smile:

Lol, I love this issue. And yea I’m about to go Carlos Mencia on you guys.

First off, Muhammed said, “People will die for what I believe in.”
This gives me the impression of terrorist. The Impression, so I’m very suspicious! Now if a muslim comes up to me, I’ll be uncomfortable because I think he is uncomfortable around me, now if I talk to him, and get to know him, and realize he’s fine. I’m fine. Hopefully this doesn’t show me as racist, because I am not. But I do remeber a scripture from my childhood that said, “I will die for what I believe in.” A total reversal of the Muslim way. Anyways…sorry if I’ve offended any muslims, but I’m not through yet! :happy:

Second thing. Jesus has been depicted in many cartoons, mostly muslim!!! Now I respect there sense of free speech, and I do not protest, so I don’t see why others would! In the bible it tells us to defend Jesus, or so it says. Yet we don’t defend him with our fist…anyways…I’m not done yet…

Finally Muhammad has been drawn many times in the past and yet…there weren’t protest in the past until now…how do you suppose that?

Again if I’ve made anyone mad, take it out on a punching bag. :eek:

Yay, you’re a fan of Carlos Mencia too! :grin: He’s so awesome, isn’t he? I can’t get enough of his show… :happy:

Ok i am not going to continue posting on this thread because i am outnumbered and because i am sure somehow things will start to get ugly. Do not think this is because i cannot win this arguement because that is not the case.

It makes me really sad to hear that Redifin, however i do not blame you. There are extremley bad muslims in this world that have made us look so bad among Europeans and Americans.

Sorry to go off-topic here, but let me tell you this. Our religion has nothing to do with Terrorism. Jihad is NOT terrorism. the Extremists such as Bin Laden have Altered the meaning of Jihad as “killing innocent people through Terrorism”.

No that is wrong. I am too tired to explain the true meaning of Jihad because somehow this will turn into a three page essay. If your still interested in Jihad, check out this site:
https://www.answerbag.com/c_view.php/116#q_129

So let me say this, Underneath the rumours, our religion is a good one. But don’t take my word for it. Look at some websites - Real Websites on Islam such as :
https://www.islam101.com/

i find this situation rather funny, but i feel the muslims overreacted all to much… i mean, what would happend if Bush started giving out gold for any muslim head he gets served… i think thats abit barbaric and thats how the muslims are acting, instead of solving it with diplomacy they solve it with violence and barbarian ways…

Just to be fair, keep in mind that this was not all muslims. Only extremist and militant muslims. And from what I remember from 9/11, there was a LOT of hatred towards muslims too, some muslims were even scared to go out… I see the difference here, pictures don’t directly kill anyone like 9/11 did, but the thing is, it was only a few people who were responsible for 9/11, but all muslims had to take a hit for it. And then they got bombed too for something Usama did. So in my opinion, both sides are waaaay more barbaric than they should be.

yes you are right indeed… but there seem to be a slight more extrimists down there then there are here… they are all humans to but they grow up under the wrong circumstances… you can see immigrants that arive to norway aswell… most of the crime done here is by immigrants even though there is alot more non immigrants here ofc… but i do not blame them, i bet even i would have been a barbarian if i grew up with war… however i do have something in common with muslims, i think we all hate Bush… hehe :grrr:

People who believe in religion, I don’t care. But that they all loose their minds in complete blind rage over the printing of Muhammed in Denmark and Norway is just plain idiotic. Period finale. cold look

[color=indigo]Freedom of expression is a wonderful thing that all people should have the right to do. However, the fact that you can say what you want about anything doesn’t mean you always should.[/color]

[color=indigo]By the sounds of it, this newspaper printed the cartoons with the sole intent of bothering a certain kind of person, Muslims in this case, which is pretty much the worst reason you can have for doing anything. I don’t know anything about Jyllands-Posten, but I get the impression that they were printing images known to be offensive just because they thought sensitivity to the faith of others is actually fear of some blood-thirsty outrage of a barbaric people, fear that must be challenged and put down by your merciless printing press of justice. Don’t blame freedom of expression, blame the arrogant pricks who express themselves.

So what should Muslims do? Use freedom of expression for yourselves, like Wissam has done, and tell people that it just wasn’t right for them to do what they did. If you’re calm and reasonable about it, people will understand.[/color]

I believe in freedome of speech, but inschool where I come from, we’re taught that with free speech comes a responsibility not to say anoything rude or offensive. That means that even though we can say whatever we want, we should abuse that right by insulting people, these cartoons are not funny at all BTW.
So, I am against these cartoons. They bring insult and injury to a religion based on love that has already had it’s name ruined enough by the odd terrorist who just happens to be muslim. Freedom of speech is one thing, but in this case it has been abused.

The only thing I’ve ever found odd, is the reputation that the Islam religion has. That has to come from somewhere. Like, radicalism occurs in all religions, I understand this. But, why does it seem to happen way more in Islam? It could be that leaders manipulate the religion into brainwashing the masses, but I don’t know. (ie, using an obscure quote in the Koran to justify blowing yourself up in the middle of a group of people).

Whatever the case, I think we can all agree what the most evil religion is: Scientology.

If you didn’t live in a Christian country, you’d be amazed of Christianity’s reputation too. :razz:

really? tell me some rumours about christian’s… i havent heard anything bad yet, would like to hear some though ^^ :happy:

Did you know that, during the imperialism, Chinese shops had signs that read “forbidden the entrance of dogs and christians”? :razz: Many countries and cultures that were converted by jesuits during colonization and imperialism still think of christians as evil. There are also some (not that many) islamic and jewish sects that loathe christians.

And there are lots of different christian religions, and some of them hate each other. :smile:

Just like any other religion, there are people who just can’t stand christianism, or some groups of christians. I figure it’s just normal in a worls of so much prejudice and so many people blaming their disgrace on others and their beliefs (tip: just take a look at how all the recent wars started).

White Mage Cid I find that comepletely ignorant. Ignorancy is not stupidity, but what you said did bother me a bit. No offense to you, but only offense to that opinion you just had :/. You see if you really think about it, atheism IS a religion in itself. A religion followed to deny all religion. So you are actually going into a blind rage to show Faith is wrong. We are all blind and full of rage.

Yes, Cid, I agree with your basic point, that all the bombing and riots over the cartoons was a bit much, but the way you said it sounded ignorant and could possibly be offensive. BTW, it was not a blind rage. In the muslim faith, it is an utter and complete blasphemy to portray Muhammed. It was a rage, seeing as you must be enraged to blow sh*t up, but it was not blind. They knew what they were doing and why.

I know what you mean, but that they just go berserk of it isn’t excactly the most intelligent thing you can do, right?

I understand that they worship Muhammed as their prohet and so on, but that they pledge their loyalty so much that they’d kill anyone who portrays him? Gimme a break…

After seeing your opinions I realized I’m kinda blasphemous against God, too, although not an atheist. (Although I roleplay him like a christian priest.) And yes, some people are blinded by rage, some more than others. In fact, that raises an important question; Why can no one ever live in peace and co-existence?

Well, Cid, that you clearly can’t understand how much this affects them.

And think abotu it for a second—why is this freedom of speech anyway? If these guys want to test the freedom of speech in Denmark, which is NOT an islamic country, but a christian one, I’d like to see if they have the guts to post some christian blasphemy and see what the reaction would be.

“We posted this because we wanted to test freedom of speech” was the most idiotic, hypocritical explanation they could give for insulting an important person to the three most influent religions in the west.