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PostPosted: Sat 24 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

smile Any time.

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PostPosted: Mon 26 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

This sounds like a really good technique, I'm going to try this out tonight for sure. smile

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

You know, I'm doing it too again tonight.

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PostPosted: Tue 27 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

It worked again, as always, but this time I had some peculiar results. First, I ALMOST went lucid in a dream. I was very suspicious and was asking lots of questions, but lost lucidity. THEN I had a full blown OBE. The OBE lasted approximately 2 minutes. I'd also like to note that I could not go more than 5 feet from my body, in any direction, because I would find myself in excruciating pain, unable to go further.

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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Hey, congratulations on the OBE, that must have been awesome! tumbsuplinkswitteduim
Really weird that you could only go 5 feet from your body though. eek2

I have a question... would your technique work even if you can't do WILD? I'd like to think that it would increase my chance of doing WILD successfully, but after months of trying and no results I'm kinda doubtful that I'll ever get it right...


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Sure thing! You can program your mind to perform any task, whatsoever, as long as you specify a time.

For example, you can will your mind to remain awake while your body falls asleep by telling yourself, "from now, 11:00, through 12:45, my mind will remain completely alert and conscious while it releases the hormones required to put my body to sleep."

I chose to specify the time as 11:00 through 12:45, because that is approximately 105 minutes. That is 15 minutes to have your mind begin lowering it's brainwaves and a 90 minute sleep cycle, in which the dream is located at the end of.

So it's simple. For a succesful WILD, just will yourself to stay mentally awake while your body falls asleep by specifying some times and specific actions for the brain to take. It may seem pretty complex, but once you grasp the concept it will become easy for you.

The trick is to find a comfortable position to rest your body in and relax for the duration of the first 15 minutes. After resisting to change positions for the first 15 minutes, it will become easy to maintain lying still. Just let it happen.


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

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I mean, imagine as clearly as you can that you and your bed are spinning around in circles as fast as it can. Keep your eyes closed, but imagine how it would feel. Imagine the sensation of momentum building up in you as you do this. Keep your awareness on the sensation of your body and you will eventually find that it begins to fade. It won't be long till a dream fades in, so hold on to your consciousness.


From what I've experienced when I try to WILD,
that after 10-15 mins I feel like I'm spinning right - left - right - left faster and faster each second but then I feel it fade away and nothing happens.
I've never actually thought of something related to that spinning and I find it extremely interesting that you mentioned to imagine yourself alseep and the bed is spinning.

Problem I've experienced is that I get this raising headach after short amount of the spinning time.
Like little energy dots are being absorbed by the brain, which is very annoying.
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For a succesful WILD, just will yourself to stay mentally awake while your body falls asleep by specifying some times and specific actions for the brain to take.
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The trick is to find a comfortable position to rest your body in and relax for the duration of the first 15 minutes. After resisting to change positions for the first 15 minutes, it will become easy to maintain lying still. Just let it happen.


This is also very interesting, I will try it out tonight and program myself on a time schedule. colgate


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

siddi5 wrote:
From what I've experienced when I try to WILD,
that after 10-15 mins I feel like I'm spinning right - left - right - left faster and faster each second but then I feel it fade away and nothing happens.

Same thing here... I get to the spinning, it spins, then it fades away and I'm still awake, with no dreams starting. =/ I just can't get it right lol.


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PostPosted: Wed 28 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

But i dont get one thing.... You can fail a RC in dream, it happens. (3 times for me x_X ) Wouldnt be easier just to say "at 4:30 I will realize that i'm in dream" ?

And about that weird 5 feets - I readed that body is connected with... soul (let me call it like that) by a silver thread. At firsts OoBE it is really short, and it doesnt lets you go away from body.

And WILD doesnt works for me, i cant just dont move by so big amount of time. My record was about a 20-30 mins.


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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Darxide, quick question. In EWLD LaBerge says that autosuggestions should be made without effortful intention, that effort is counterproductive (at least in his case). So I'm wondering, do you actively and intently carry out your autosuggestion technique, or do you relax and genuinely expect it to work without deliberate effort?

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Last night I decided to give the techniques in the first few posts a try. I told myeslf that I was going to wake up at 4am with an rested mind while my body was still tired, so that it could resume sleep. I even ended up typing out my intention to wake up at 4am. Sure enough, I woke up in the middle of the night at approximately 4 am. The problem was in noticing myself falling asleep. I ended up entering a dream but not realizing that I was dreaming until I woke up at 5:30.

I guess I'll try the same basic technique tonight, but with an additional part about the specifics of the timing of how I'll fall back asleep and see if that helps.


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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

OlesiaTheDreamer wrote:
siddi5 wrote:
From what I've experienced when I try to WILD,
that after 10-15 mins I feel like I'm spinning right - left - right - left faster and faster each second but then I feel it fade away and nothing happens.

Same thing here... I get to the spinning, it spins, then it fades away and I'm still awake, with no dreams starting. =/ I just can't get it right lol.


Keep trying! The spinning will stop and you'll return to a normal waking state if you get too excited during the spinning process. As exciting as it is, just try to remain calm and let it happen.

Duck wrote:
But i dont get one thing.... You can fail a RC in dream, it happens. (3 times for me x_X ) Wouldnt be easier just to say "at 4:30 I will realize that i'm in dream" ?


If that's what works for you. Just a simple, time specific suggestion that conveys your intentions to your subconscious. The trick is not to push it too hard. Remember, just let it happen.

Duck wrote:

And about that weird 5 feets - I readed that body is connected with... soul (let me call it like that) by a silver thread. At firsts OoBE it is really short, and it doesnt lets you go away from body.


That would make sense. So you're suggesting that the pain came from stretching this cord? That makes sense, however I don't understand why my cord would be so tight that I couldn't go more than 5 feet.

Duck wrote:

And WILD doesnt works for me, i cant just dont move by so big amount of time. My record was about a 20-30 mins.


WILD would work for you if you gave it enough practice. Practically anyone who is willing to put in the required effort will achieve it. The amount of effort required varies from person to person, due to psychological, biological and even genetic factors.

Tride wrote:
Darxide, quick question. In EWLD LaBerge says that autosuggestions should be made without effortful intention, that effort is counterproductive (at least in his case). So I'm wondering, do you actively and intently carry out your autosuggestion technique, or do you relax and genuinely expect it to work without deliberate effort?


You only want to put enough effort into your intentions to feel that they take affect. The trick is to balance effort with ease. smile Remember, as I always say, just relax and let it happen.

Draconic wrote:
Last night I decided to give the techniques in the first few posts a try. I told myeslf that I was going to wake up at 4am with an rested mind while my body was still tired, so that it could resume sleep. I even ended up typing out my intention to wake up at 4am. Sure enough, I woke up in the middle of the night at approximately 4 am. The problem was in noticing myself falling asleep. I ended up entering a dream but not realizing that I was dreaming until I woke up at 5:30.

I guess I'll try the same basic technique tonight, but with an additional part about the specifics of the timing of how I'll fall back asleep and see if that helps.


The fact that you woke up at 4 AM as you programmed yourself to tells me that autosuggestion has the potential to work for you. Keep up the good work!




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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

With all of the technics you have to keep rembering that each person is different. What works for one person doesn't always work for some one else. If you want to try a technic, you do need to stick with it for a while. Everything new needs time. Some technics are more diffecult then others and some people have a knack for some part of the technic, like someone being very good at getting into spinning in their head while laying in bed and relaxing their body. Other people will just have problems because they tend to get sick from the "spinning" while laying still.
The point, you need to spend enough time with a technic to give it a chance, but you should also look for ways to do the techinc that fit you. If you have problems with spinning, try moving your fingers, or listening to music for WILD, or whatever else works best for you from all the different methods that other people do. You might even come up with something new that fits you better.
If you have tried a technic for a few weeks, or months and it is not working, then switch to a different technic. Some people can try a different technic each night and find out what works, but most of us must try the same technic for weeks or months befor we learn it well enough that it works.
I am working on WILD, and I feel like I am at the point where I start skipping accross the dream/wake border. I start getting into a dream and then wake up again. I have been working on it now for about three weeks. Maybe I can get into LD's with it, maybe not, but I will keep trying for a few weeks befor I give up and move to a different technic.


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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Good luck, Don. smile

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PostPosted: Thu 29 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

Darxide wrote:
smile Thanks Ben! I remember back when you were writing that lucid dreaming software. Have you finished the final version yet? I remember it was really cool.

sorry for the late response overspannen ...no I never finished any 2.0 software. The LucidWarp stuff went way over people's heads, and I couldn't figure out a better way to explain things... And the Digibook just wasn't needed..first version was good enough.

I guess I was using the wrong approach to describe the whole "will yourself to do it" thing. You seemed to have nailed it right in the center. I truely believe this is the next step in figuring out how powerful the human brain actually is. Not just with lucid dreaming...but with everything. We are all capable of doing so much more with this "brain power"...all it takes is observation.


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