The Randi Challange isn’t a fair one. Not only are 990,000 of the prizes in bonds (which the organization wouldn’t comment on when further questioned) but they have a bad way of treating people who apply, and refuse many of the people from even being tested. This may be a case of he said they said, but since Kramer later admitted to altering the emails (though not to fabricating that last one) I would go with Peebrain’s side. Which is also the side of the paranormal in this case. Here is his write up about his experience with the Randi organization:
psipog.net/show.php?cmd=wp&id=14
You can also check out their forums and see their responses and Peebrain’s.
That’s certainly an intersting link, and if true, would indeed show that the Randi challenge isn’t as straight-forward as it first appeared. But let’s not lose sight of the big picture here. Even if the money was awarded in the form of bonds, and even if those bonds somehow happen to be worth nothing (very unlikely), still, there would be people willing to take the challenge if they thought they could win. It’s not just about the money… it’s about being the first person ever to prove in a controlled environment that paranormal activity does exist. If you can perform a repeatable action that this or any other institution cannot explain, then you’re going to get recognition for it. You’re going to change the world in a very drastic way. Hell, you don’t even need to deal with Randi if you don’t want to. Any respectable scientist would love for you to show your abilities in his lab. And nobody ever has, barring those crudely outdated German experiments during WW2.
Peebrain could have demonstrated this ability to any scientific association, and he’d still make a fortune.
It’s also inportant to remember that there are many other awards and challenges that are a lot like Randi’s, yet no one has succeeded at beating them either.
And Atheist is right, the recognition alone should be enough for someone to step up and do one of these challenges.
I am not debating those points. I just really don’t like people quoting Randi’s challenge after that little ordeal. I wonder about those as well, and I believe in TK. If anybody has a good explanation for those, which I doubt, I would be very interested to hear it.
your right, but i think that the natural skeptic is going to question the legibility of the so called “scientists” who are supposedly making sure noone cheats. i really believe that its just something you need to experiance for yourself.
Sorry, I did not mean you, personally. I meant 2nd person narrative.
I know there are things that exist that our current model cannot explain. But as to what they are… who can tell?
As for PK. Sure, that would be nice to be true. Is it? I dunno…
Can I test it? nope. Can I disqualify it from the realm of existence? Not at this time, but also I cannot accept it as a reality for me.
As for Santa Claus… well, that was just a thought experiment… what happens when you are confronted with a reality shaking event (what ever that is). Sometimes I wonder if somebody from the 1700s could see what things looked like today… radio, tv, airplanes, cars, internet, space travel… would it make sense? Or would it be like someone telling us “no, really there is a Santa Claus… and here he is” …
Indeed. Even if that reason is to question if your current models are valid. Maybe they are, maybe there is something more. either way
water memory:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Benveniste
Unless, they can do something even better like manefest $1M by themselves. 
Bill Murray once said something like: “Given the choice to accept either fame or fortune, choose fortune first… and see if that works for you”
– But I agree. If somebody can do it, they should claim the prize.
Not quite. Things are much harder under constant pressure and being watched. also we are talking about proving things. It is literally impossible to prove most things. the only things we are able to prove are laws. “If I let go of this apple, it will fall” that is the basis of a law. It offers no explanation of how it works, just an if _____ happens then _______ will happen. keep that in mind. I personally believe Telekinesis or w/e you want to call it is true. however the concious mind can only do so much. Picking up something larger than a pencil would use a great deal of your own energy. I believe that if a human concentrate they can control energy fields to a limited extent. If you look at psipog you can find out about how they were able to influence a geiger counter using only their brains. Also I am not affiliated with the peebrain who runs the site. I picked this as my internet name long before discovering Psipog because of a inside joke between me and my friends. so don’t ask. Just my two cents
Assuming the individual mind is an extension of the Universe’s mind, whatever we believe will inevitably be true. I’m not suggesting that someone who believes they can fly or perform PK, can, but I’m not suggesting they can’t. If we are all expressions of the Universe’s mind, then majority of belief rules. Where I come from, that’s Christian Capitalist. Not good or bad, but limiting. Physical, tangible laws of science will be true if that’s what humanity looks for and then believes in. I think in Quantum Physics this is called the Observer created Universe or maybe it’s the Wave Function collapse. Je sais pas. Any attempt at understanding the vast potential of human, and therefore Universal, awareness will end in a limited understanding of that awareness. The word is not the thing itself.
I don’t believe it. If people could do it, then we’d see it a lot more often in real life. Or they could take up Randi’s challenge and earn a hefty amount of money.
As for the “We only use [insert number]% of our brains,” snopes.com debunked that a while ago.
Merged into existing topic :moh:
Do you think it is possible to move things with your mind? Maybe just slightly?
I read somthing on the internet about scientists say that It could be possible. I also saw some websites and videos of people claiming to do it and saying that it is real. So, if you know anything about it, or if you can (or claim you can) do it, tell me.
P.S.
I’m not crazy
isnt the big psi topic for this … bur well good you open a dicussion on this (anyone notice that stycky threads are less frequently replyed to then non-sticky ?)
Me too 
. I have had a few “experiences”, but not sure if they were just a coincidence. Here are some of my examples:
-Last year, the 7th and the 8th graders would wave a “war” going on. They wern’t bullying or anything, it was just play. Before school, we are not allowed to go inside of the halls and we have to stay at the bottom of the stairs. The 7th and 8th grade stairs were near each other and there would be two large groups of people. The 7th graders would throw a water bottle, then the 8th graders would throw it back along with a few pieces a candy and an old folder. Then, things started to fly everywhere, then for the first time, a teacher saw this and walked in between the two groups of people and yelled “STOP! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!? THIS IS…” blah blah blah…then I said to one of my friends “heh, that would be funny if he got hit by a water bottle.” then…BAM! He got smacked in the back with an opened water bottle.
I predicted the future .
-And every once in a while we go somewhere I’ll say “We’ll probally see sombody that we know here” and well…we would! normally when i dont say it, I see nobody I know, but when i do, i usually see sombody i know. I have been wrong probally once or twice out of the 12 or 13 times i have said this.
and i know i didnt actully move things with my mind, but it is the closest personal expericence i have had with telekenesis.
OMG! This happens to me all the time! Only the opposite, so if it just randomly comes into my head and I don’t say anything it’ll happen, but saying it is almost like spoiling it. (except the whole harry potter scar thing,which I TOTALLY called!!!) I don’t know what to consider this as, and I don’t think it’s TK or PK or anything. Until I find out what’s going on, I’ve been calling it life’s inherent irony.
I’d like to hear if you’ve thought more about this, but not sure if it’d get off topic.
PS: I 
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I believe, just because I have seen some strange things. I could elaborate but I would rather not be evaluated on the topic.
I totally believe it. And don’t blame my ‘youthful ignorance,’ all you nonbelievers. I went to that website, PsiPog.net, and I tried out the paper/thumbtack thing, and the paper kept twitching the first time. The second time I tried it, the paper turned a little; about an eighth of a turn. I completely believe it’s true and possible.
I totally believe in it but I don’t think the people that can do it will let anyone know. Just think of the concinquences if “some” poeple found out.
I’ve found some interesting things out over the last few days…
one is that you cannot control nature, nature takes its own course. All you can do is go with the flow of nature and direct it the way you want it to go.
the second thing i found is that pure willpower can do things like telekinesis, given that it doesn’t disobey the above statement - otherwise it will simply not work.
So it would seem then that to achieve telekinesis, one would have to be going about their daily business and then using will power to make something move that is in their way. It is very difficult to use will-power let alone pure will-power. I would describe pure willpower as a godlike will that contains no greed, selfishness, evil intent or desire. So it would probably be easier to try and use your willpower to move people and cars out of your way, rather than a stationary object. I think a stationary object would take something close to the will of god. I also think it would be easier with people because they can be influenced on a subconscious level and I believe humans do possess some kind of psychic ability. Take for example when you are staring at someone then they turn their head because they can sense it… or if you notice you are being stared at just because you sense that feeling of being observed.
Noticing that you are being stared at is a bit strange that we know if we are or not. I don’t know if it is part of psychokinesis but it might. That is a very good example.
if anything it is a part of Telepathy …
according to my limited understanding ofcourse