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Foley
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Renegade wrote:
personally i think any form of telekenisis, astral projection, spirit expulsion, or anything of that sort is bs

please tell me the science, im just OH SO FASCINATED in the ways of hypnagogic adventures of no reality


hey, no ones forcing you to belive anything, if you dont want to you dont have to


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PostPosted: Sun 17 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Renegade wrote:
personally i think any form of telekenisis, astral projection, spirit expulsion, or anything of that sort is bs

Some of Bruce's techniques are quite nice, even if you don't agree with his theories (these ones in particular). You could just approach AP as a form of WILD, if that's easier to swallow. And remember, some people still think lucid dreaming is BS...


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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

I have a bunch of questions for whomever has had experience with astral projection: Do you have to accept a different religion to make use of your chakras? And, which religion is associated with the chakra system? Do you have to make use of chakras to astrally project? How reliable is the visual information you get when projecting (Can you use it in the physical plane)?

Anyway, thanks for the link. It's an interesting read.


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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Orange Element wrote:
I have a bunch of questions for whomever has had experience with astral projection: Do you have to accept a different religion to make use of your chakras? And, which religion is associated with the chakra system? Do you have to make use of chakras to astrally project? How reliable is the visual information you get when projecting (Can you use it in the physical plane)?

Anyway, thanks for the link. It's an interesting read.


1. No. Chakras have appeared in most modern religions at some point, the name changes but their position and use does not. All the big religions have Chakra like "things" and texts on how to use them within the context of that religion. You may have to do a bit of research to find them but its there.

2. "Chakras" as the word is, is associated mostly with Hinduism, Buddism and to some extent Paganism (both Neo and Classical) though the system as I said before exists in most religions in some form.

3. No sure, the trance state you enter is "all in your mind" and the visual information can be completely made up. However it could be true. Its as reliable as visuals in a dream.



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Foley
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

Orange Element wrote:
I have a bunch of questions for whomever has had experience with astral projection: Do you have to accept a different religion to make use of your chakras? And, which religion is associated with the chakra system? Do you have to make use of chakras to astrally project? How reliable is the visual information you get when projecting (Can you use it in the physical plane)?

Anyway, thanks for the link. It's an interesting read.


No, you do not need to accept a different religion to make use of your chakras nor is any specific religion associated with chakras.

Personally, Chakra's DO help when it comes to AP but you dont have to use them.Robert Bruce suggests that you should use them , but i project fine without the use of them. The visual info with projecting depends on your level of conciousness.If its low, you would see mostly blurry things but if it was high and you would see things VERY clearly

well hope that helped, g'luck!


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PostPosted: Tue 19 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

That answered my questions very nicely, thanks!

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

ive also heard in the astral planes that you can meet your spirit guides , i really hope i can meet my guide.

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PostPosted: Sun 24 Dec, 2006  Reply with quote

You dont have to be any specific religion to access your chakras. If you close your eyes and do energy excercises you can feel them, usually like someone is pressing on the spot they are located or a throbbing.

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PostPosted: Sun 07 Jan, 2007  Reply with quote

sapmangat wrote:
ive also heard in the astral planes that you can meet your spirit guides , i really hope i can meet my guide.


Acually you can meet them in waking life. I have 7 of them and i can identify each one of them by getting to know them well enough. They can tell you anything u want to know..they're facinating to talk to.


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PostPosted: Wed 10 Jan, 2007  Reply with quote

Do you actually have to believe this to be able to AP?
(from the linked site)

Robert Bruce wrote:



The astral is the closest dimension to the physical. It overlays and permeates the world like a huge mind net, catching and holding all thought. Its contents are created by the collective consciousness of the world mind. It contains all the thoughts, memories, fantasies, and dreams of every living thing in the world. In it, the laws of sympathetic attraction, or like attracts like, causes this ocean of mind stuff to strata and settle into layers or pools. These pools of thought are more commonly called astral planes, astral worlds, astral sub planes or astral realms.

The astral dimension is composed of astral matter and is aptly described as mind stuff. It is extremely sensitive to thought and can be moulded into any shape or form. These creations can be so perfect as to be indistinguishable from reality.


I mean... Come on...


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan, 2007  Reply with quote

When it comes to APing, you really don't have to believe anything but that APing, its self, is possible.

If you don't wish to believe in the Astral Planes that is your choice, but then if they don't exist how can you project into the Astral? eh

Believe what you will, so long as you have faith that APing is possible, you should still be able to do it. Although to me it sounds more like he is talking about LDing and the ability to create your environment than to actually AP.

There's so many different views on what Aping is that no one can truly say they know the truth. It's all just opinion. Some people think APing is related to dreaming, some don't.



babysnakes wrote:
sapmangat wrote:
ive also heard in the astral planes that you can meet your spirit guides , i really hope i can meet my guide.


Acually you can meet them in waking life. I have 7 of them and i can identify each one of them by getting to know them well enough. They can tell you anything u want to know..they're facinating to talk to.


*Mohegan points to the "meet your spirit guide while awake" link in his sig.


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan, 2007  Reply with quote

Inquisitor Bob wrote:
Do you actually have to believe this to be able to AP?
(from the linked site)

Robert Bruce wrote:



The astral is the closest dimension to the physical. It overlays and permeates the world like a huge mind net, catching and holding all thought. Its contents are created by the collective consciousness of the world mind. It contains all the thoughts, memories, fantasies, and dreams of every living thing in the world. In it, the laws of sympathetic attraction, or like attracts like, causes this ocean of mind stuff to strata and settle into layers or pools. These pools of thought are more commonly called astral planes, astral worlds, astral sub planes or astral realms.

The astral dimension is composed of astral matter and is aptly described as mind stuff. It is extremely sensitive to thought and can be moulded into any shape or form. These creations can be so perfect as to be indistinguishable from reality.


I mean... Come on...


i dont think you have had an AP or even tried.Although i could be wrong.
but seriously if you dont belive in this stuff, just give it a shot for yourself!

and thanks for the link Mohegan


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan, 2007  Reply with quote

Fair 'nuff, I think I can get myself to believe that it's a very powerful version of dreaming/meditation, I've never doubted that people actually experience these things, I just have absolutely no belief in astral planes, if I get any results I suppose I might alter my belief in other dimensions (it's a package deal when you believe in String and M-theorie) to sort of fit the mind being able to sense these when in these states, I still have to think of an underlying theorie that would physically work and not sound completely insane though.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

And about having AP's, I personally think you need a lot of energy to actually can have them and to successfuly move your astral body freely. In that way I think AP is really different of LD. You need so much energy to have an AP. I'm talking about personal experience. In my point of view (that is exigent) you have to stop any kind of vicious act, like smoking, drinking, doing drugs, masturbating (I think sex is a vice like anything else or like any drug) and stop doing anything that put your consciousness locked in a prision. That's why I have a particulary spiritual point of view about life. I think to reach this experiences truly, you have to transform yourself into a better person.

Some may agree with that and some may not.
It's just a point of view.

There are energetic techniques that are teached to improve your body energy, after you stop discarding it for nothing.

Go on.


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