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Win Laik Pya
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PostPosted: Wed 09 May, 2007  Reply with quote

TRJR strts to read the topic

Magik, eh? You've got my attention

I'll be sure to check out that e-book sometime or another


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Marcus Wong
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May, 2007  Reply with quote

Genkai wrote:
I printed it. All 71 pages. :*(
Chaos, how I hardly knew ye...


You can still read it on your monitor. smile

The sigil magick part is really simple and useful, and everything makes sense to me. It's the first time I find this western magick thing direct and simple. From my understanding, the whole Chaos Magick thing is just a way (or ways) to talk to our subconscious using very simple methods, and all other traditions of magick are simply different belief systems pointing towards the same TRUTH. I love the idea that you can merge different systems or come up with your own magical system, so long as you understand the beliefs behind them.


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ShaggE
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PostPosted: Thu 10 May, 2007  Reply with quote

Marcus Wong wrote:
I love the idea that you can merge different systems or come up with your own magical system, so long as you understand the beliefs behind them.


The same principle applies to all forms of magick. I personally prefer to mix it up a bit with my rituals. (Chants one day, stone magick the next, thread magick the day after, etc.)


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Foley
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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2007  Reply with quote

Isnt.. magick.. evil? or used for bad purposes
i mean it has it in its name.. CHAOS magick..
I'm not saying it IS evil, im just asking because I dont have much experience / info on this subject.
I checked out wikipedia and it had results like "Black Magick" and on the " see related subject" area , it said Chaos magic. Are these 2 magic types similar?
and after googling "magick forums" results came up like occult forums , which had lots to do with satanism in it sadblauw
I would love to do chaos magick, but not if its "bad"
Im really sorry if im not making any sense, its really late here I've got a huge headache and im tired.. so bear with me please? tounge2


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ShaggE
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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2007  Reply with quote

I can't speak for chaos magick, but for run-of-the-mill pagan magick, no. Nothing "evil" about it at all.

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Wyrmfell
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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2007  Reply with quote

From what I've read, Chaos Magick is only evil if you want it to be. Basically the premise of the whole thing is you invoke whichever method/ supernatural being is convenient. Want your pasta to taste especially good? Why not call upon the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Chaos Magick says it doesn't matter how you do it so long as the intention is there. The key is being able to entirely switch beliefs, and that's the hard part. With some practice, I was able to switch from Atheism to an honest belief in Hinduism, then back again. Quite an interesting experience..

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Mohegan
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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2007  Reply with quote

Foley wrote:
I checked out wikipedia and it had results like "Black Magick" and on the " see related subject" area , it said Chaos magic. Are these 2 magic types similar?
and after googling "magick forums" results came up like occult forums , which had lots to do with satanism in it sadblauw
I would love to do chaos magick, but not if its "bad"
Im really sorry if im not making any sense, its really late here I've got a huge headache and im tired.. so bear with me please? tounge2


There is no such thing as Black Magic. This term was coined by people who feared things they don't understand or were too single minded to learn the truth and just worked on a the basis of hear-say.

Magic[k] is magic, there is no good magic and there is no evil magic. Jesus healed the sick, many people would consider that a form of magic.

Magic is a tool and nothing more, only the practitioner is good or evil.

A knife is also a tool, but a knife can be used to kill people, but does that make the knife evil?

Anything can be used for bad purposes, even your pillow, you choose how you want to use a tool and you choose how you want to use magick.


I wanted to mention something on the "Satanism" mention in your post too, but that would likely drag this way off topic.


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darakat
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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2007  Reply with quote

*crawls out of his cave*
You know some day I thought I could come to this forum and see something that wouldn't make me cringe at its inaccuracies.

1. Magick with a k is an invention of Aleister Crowley (A Magick Life - Martin Booth, Wikipedia)
2. Any pagan or chaos magician worth his salt knows this
3. GAH! Are you guys purposely making me cringe at your on this subject...
4. Thankyou Mohegan for clearing a lot of this up so I didn't have to.

*crawls back to his cave*



Current LD goal(s): Getting them again
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Foley
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PostPosted: Sun 13 May, 2007  Reply with quote

well, thanks for clearing this up guys!

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Tsondru
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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2007  Reply with quote

I found this site pretty informative about sigil magic:

http://home.comcast.net/~max555/book/Sigils.html

Anyone used sigil magic to induce a lucid dream?

Did it work?


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Genkai
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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2007  Reply with quote

I had 4 LDs in three days thanks to a Sigil. Yes, it works. Very well. Sigil-Induced Lucid Dream. wink5

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Mohegan
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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2007  Reply with quote

You should write that up Genkai, some others may like to try it out. smile

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Genkai
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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2007  Reply with quote

How would I go about writing it up, Mohegan? PM a Mod or something?

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Tsondru
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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2007  Reply with quote

Why don't you post it in The MAGICK Topic!

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Genkai
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PostPosted: Mon 14 May, 2007  Reply with quote

... I just did, didn't I Tsondru? whatsthat

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