This is a very odd problem. I read is a bunch of books on dreams that lack of REM sleep can cause you to be very tired in the morning and just plain exausted. Could it be that maybe you’re dreaming in the NREM cycle?
I don’t know how to explain it otherwise.
My only advice would be to either change your diet, avoid anything that has to do with lucid dreams, or just see a doctor.
EDIT: I’ve read alittle bit more. So you get 10 hours of sleep. Well, it could be that you’re waking up during your deepest stage of sleep which can cause you to be very tired in the morning. The length of your REM periods would have increased by now causing longer or more dreams.
New advice, sleep less!
I saw a show once about depression. And aparently people with clinical depression have more REM sleep than normal and they wake up tired in the morning. Aften being given some pills to supress REM the person in the show said it was nice to get some deep, dreamless sleep.
There are ways to promote deep sleep. Like exercise and meditation and such things.
I haven’t really read through the whole 5 pages, but have you tried hypnosis? If there are any hypnotists in your area, you can go there and explain your problem to them
Just a suggestion
Unfortunately, I don’t really know if there is a solution to this. I consider lucid dreaming as a knowledge, so to speak. I’ve never had one yet (or what I consider to be one (I don’t think just knowing quite cuts it, I need to have control)). I feel that once I start actually doing it, then I will do it very often. So to compare this to your problem. It is like you have added the knowledge of lucid dreaming and you have the experience to back it up. And since you know it exists, you cannot just conciously (or even unconciously) forget it.
The only one idea I could see working (it was mentioned already by hyper in the post above) would be going to a hypnotist. Get them to basically make you forget about lucid dreaming, about this forum altogether, and maybe you will never lucid dream again.
I personally don’t know how you would want to stop lucid dreaming but I guess we aren’t the same person. To me, I believe knowledge is infinite, and in a world without limits (dream world), we can expand our knowlegde far beyond that of anyone who does not even achnowledge normal dreams.
Lucid dreaming? I saw a topic with the same question before, and to me personally it seemed like a dumb question. Who would want to stop lucid dreaming…right?
I merged it in the topic mentioned
Well, now I wanna stop lucid dreaming. Why? I´ve been lucid dreaming naturally, pretty much nightly, since I was about eleven. I also started suffering from depression and a weird dreamlike feeling while awake at around that same age. Yesterday I read that excessive lucid dreaming tends to cause depression since it depletes serotonin levels. Also, when I was around sixteen, I remember a period of about two months when the depression and the dreamlike feeling were gone, during that time I don´t remember having had a single lucid dream.
So, to keep it short, does anyone know of any ways for a natural lucid dreamer to control the frequency of lucid dreams? My mental health could depend upon it…
I’ve read that people who were experienced lucid dreamers suddenly stopped being able to lucid dream after using sleeping pills for an amount of time. And try to ignore dreams as you wake up, just don’t try to remember what your dream was about. I think the first step in not having lucid dreams is to not remember the fact that you have them each night. Since you’re used to having them it might be possible that you automaticly “sets” yourself to become lucid, so if you didn’t have (Didn’t remember) your dreams you might be able to stop having lucid dreams.
Lucid dreaming depletes seretonin levels? I never heard of it. I don’t believe in it either. It’s dreaming were talking about here, it’s natural.
Where did you read about it?
Just to flip it around a bit, Suppose the subjects in the supposed study, were already getting depressed and as a means of making up for the unsatisfactory real life start to get obsessed with lucid dreaming and do that alot. Not dealing with their problems, getting more depressed and realising this in the end, and then seeing what they do- lucid dreaming. It is blamed for something that was happening anyway…
I’m just theorising here though.
THe good thing about the whole deal is that if lucid dreaming causes excessive release of seretonin it’s probably not that much. Not like MDMA wich really causes the release of seretonin os much that scientists fear you can lose the ability to reproduce it.
I hardly think that is going to be an issue with lucid dreaming at all seeing as it’s a natural process. If there is any depletion at all it should level out if you can avoid lucid dreaming for a while. Wich is your concern now.
The only thing you can really do is to either try autosuggesting or nothing at all. And not obsessing about it.
I realize it might not be too reliable, but the info there just made sense to me. I started having this weird dreamlike feeling coupled with depression around the same time I started lucid dreaming (nightly). And there was a period of time when I was temporarily cured, I had no memory of lucid dreams during that time.
Actually, lucid dreaming does not deplete your seretonin level, masturbating does (Right?). And low seretonin level gives you nothing but bad recall (In this matter if speaking)which would mean it’d be nearly impossible to have lucid dreams often since you wouldn’t remember them.
Okay. I read some of that, looked through it. Interesting stuff. I’m not into magick and all that.
I still don’t believe there is any danger. The author mentions REM sleep depletes seretonin. I don’t know about that, but I think the main point is that, I don’t think lucid dreaming does anything to your REM sleep.
And the recommendation of only 2 nights per lunar month that have to be consecutve to even attempt lucdi dreaming. That may be playing it a little too safe. I have an “average” of 2 LDs a week, with much variation. I should be be progressively getting more depressed, I feel like I am progressively getting happier.
More importantly, I always feel good the day after I have a lucid dream, I should feel the worst right after it if it was draining me of seretonin, right? I think most people would say the same thing too.
I have heard that depressed people have more REM sleep.
Again with the flipping it around, perhaps those who have more REM sleep and so confronted with dreams more develope an interest in dreams more easily. I sure know my interest in dreams comes from noticing my own.
want to get rid of those dreams too…never wanted to experience that , just came out of nowhere…recently i have been dreaming about my grandmum who died 3 years ago, and who never talks but always look at me as if she wanted to say…OF COURSE I SHOULD NOT B HERE, I DIED…and its really SCARY! i dont believe in any metaphisical stuff, im very down to earth but this is really freaking me out.
I am always paralysed when waking up and i always experience the … “fake wake up”… its horrible,
Note to [InsertAstralNameHere]: You probably know this by now but it’s not necessarily depression that you have but depersonalization/derealization disorder.
I know this topic was started several years ago, but it’s also something I’ve struggled with and have been reading ever since. The problem is dreams are not as well researched as we would like and they are also hard to research.
I too have read that lucid dreaming depletes serotonin, but what I wanted to share is that I have come a crossed a few ways to help those other people that would like a break from LDing.
Many of you have probably read about the glasses that filter out blue light. Worn by people who have problems falling asleep, since the blue light suppresses Melatonin production. My first suggestion is for heavy sleepers, people who have problems waking up, or people with sleeping disorders brought on my deep sleep.
Add a blue light to your bed room when you sleep. This will create a lighter sleep for all in the room. This worked a bit of me. Increased the time it took me to fall asleep but it still worked. However, I had to give this up because my boyfriend was having problems getting a full night’s sleep.
The second thing is I am supplementing my diet with whey protein. Tonnes of amino acids and extra protein (especially for a girl who doesn’t care for meat) but why I started this is because I read that the amino acid tryptophan (yes also theorized to help certain types of depression) and be converted into 5-HT (serotonin) therefore breaking the blood brain border. The idea was to give the body enough serotonin to offset the melatoin that is being converted. Ironically the first thing I read about whey protein was for inducing LD, but I figured it will either help by either giving me less dreams or by helping me wake up, or not help and give me more control or more vivid dreams. Either way it’s still beneficial to the body, if not the sleep.
I’ve been taking it for about a month and I find taking it before bed is best. It helps me prepare for sleep, winding me down, despite having slept more than I should have the night before and it also helps with the time it takes to wake up enough to function properly is reduced. Soon I am going to switch to half a dose at night and half in the morning, to see if it yields better results.
*Note I still have 1-2 lucid dreams per night, usually in the morning, but it doesn’t influence my waking day as much and the dreams themselves have a more pleasant effect, ie. no headaches, less sleep paralysis, normal dreams, and sometimes I’m awake when I turn off my alarm. The only thing I have ever found to wake me up 100% of the time is my dog whining to go outside. for the alarm clock that won’t turn off, until you are awake. I know I have only described what my problems are in a round about way, but I’m will to answer any questions.
I apologize if someone has already suggested this, but I do not have the time to read through 6 pages of block text.
Have you tried talking to a DC / DG / SG about your problem? Simply say that you wish to sleep, if you have the power to control your dreams, you have the power to end it.
Once again, sorry if this has already been suggested.
Would have been nice if we would have figured out what suddenly caused this lucid dream state of this guy. Anomalies usually are a great opportunity to learn more about a subject.
My best guess would have been that his “change of life style” might have a caused compulsive thinking about food or perhaps non-smoking. Like anorexia, but in his case not a compulsive thought about fat and calories, but a compulsive thought in WL that worked like a RC in his dreams. Most people with very frequent luid dreams have some sort of compulsive thought in WL that triggers lucid dreams in their sleep, like “how did I get here?”, “is this real?” or checking their watch every minute.
for the alarm clock that won’t turn off, until you are awake. I know I have only described what my problems are in a round about way, but I’m will to answer any questions.