Is lucid a sin?-Part II

Like all this talk of “past lives” that you seem to regard as fact? :bored:

Everyone has their beliefs and ultimately none of these beliefs can be proven, no matter what they are. Someone believing in Jesus is no more less logical than you believing in past lives. Everyone at some point has to make a blind leap of faith and place their whole belief system on a foundation that could be dubious. So really, the only question is “Does your belief system serve you?” If so, great; if not, change it. But don’t judge another’s beliefs because you don’t agree with them, even if they seem illogical… because ultimately, yours are too.

mike, I don’t simply accept what I was thought - I questioned it all, researched it, had various personal spiritual experiences with God and made my decision as I suppose you must have chosen yours. I have seen things which were out of the world which includes phenomena such as smelling of roses during prayer (when there are no roses), experiencing God’s love for me, multiplication of things such as cassettes used for religious recordings, broken things simply mending themselves, even finding rose petals out of nowhere in my car or house… What else do I need, really?

I could do like you tend do and simply judge you, but that’s not helpful to anyone, is it?

Yes, God is the logical explanation to me. Let’s just respect our different choices and try to LD instead… :smile:

There are many beliefs.
My opinion here is that I disagree with some beliefs, maybe I think some are dangerous to the individual’s health or well-being. But should I post on that subject, I think I won’t really induce the individual to act differently and I would be ignored. It might be somebody posting about taking drugs to induce an LD etc. I am leaving that kind of posting to others, plus there are warnings on the internet.
I tend to simply post things which can be helpful, to someone, even if that someone might be simply myself. If you don’t agree, that’s fine (especially with regards to faith which is not something everybody sees in the same way).
These are choices which we make. I say we should respect them even if we see them as different from our own. There is some good in everyone and this is what we should see.

past lives, what the hell. . . I don’t believe in past lives, what the anus are you talkinga bout? did you confuse me with somebody else?

I refuse to try certain things in LDs not because
there may be a God with a list of rules, but because my heart
and mind guide me in what is healthy, good and right.

Some Thoughts on the larger issue:
When I first started experiencing LDs, It was like a
great revelation. I felt like I was coming face to face
with the POWER OF THE MIND. I became aware how the
mind can create a virtual world that can seem real.
(I guess I should have known that, having experienced
normal dreams like everyone else, but unconscious dreaming
usually seems like a vague experience, buffered by
varying degree of recall.)
So, now I had a possible explaination for NDEs, OBEs,
religious experience type “visions”, paranormal experiences,
probably even UFO abductee stories, etc.
When you couple the POWER OF THE MIND with a strong
willingness to believe in something, the reality of that something is
immediately suspect.

I think the only logical approach to the possibility
of a spiritual dimension to our existence is
agnosticism.
Look at the big picture: myriads of cultures around
the world since recorded history, each with their own
religious beliefs, each claiming to be the one true
way. Follow these rules, and you will be blessed!
And yet good things happen to bad people and horrible
things happen to good people. Hard to believe there’s
a God that concerns himself with the affairs of
individuals.
What IS interesting is that this time-spanning world-wide
persistent preoccupation with religion exists. Some argue this
is the spiritual world yearning to be expressed and understood.
But, we humans have a strong willingness to believe that death is
not the end of our existence. In legal terms, we’re not a very
reliable witness; we have an agenda.
So, not having had a religious epiphany lately, I can only
conclude the existence of God is doubtful, but not impossible.
I remain a hopeful agnostic until further evidence presents itself.

Ok here is one thing that i never do in a lucid dream…
tell a joke thats so good that it kills a dc because of an overload of laughs!
I mean iam cruel but not that cruel :grin:

Jeff

Bwhahahahaha! You crack me up! LOL! And you’re killing me! Just kidding. :wink:

I don’t think doing anything LD is a sin… what I mean is that it’s your own subconsciousness and sometimes you want to do something in order to express your feelings. I have been doing that lately to express my feelings that i am unable to share IRL. Am I making any senses?

:shrug:

hahaha i see my post has caused some controversy… i like it. No i didnt leave because i thought it was a sin… ive been busy since school started so i havent had much time. But im back into it so here i am :cool_laugh: thanks for all the replies, and im pretty certain that in my opinion its not a sin now. thanks guys and gals.

Glad you are back lucid-chicken. You must have a record for the most impact on the forum by making one post! :tongue: I take it we convinced you that it wasn’t a sin then. :cool_laugh:

hello everyone! I was searching for a particular message, when I found some contraversial (sp?) topics about whether LD’ing is a sin or not.

I don’t understand people’s reason for thinking that LD’ing is a sin. I plan to get closer to God and Jesus through my lucid dreams, and I believe there is a small verse in the bible about lucid dreaming! (i think it’s in song of songs…) One of my first goals for LD’ing is to grow spirutually from them. I can understand why some people may question the content of particular LD’s as sinful (like, if you wanted to go an a killing spree or whatnot), but LD’ing in itself? hmmm…

What are your views on LD’ing being classified as a sin?

The way I see it, there is no God, so lucidity is all good.

dreamer_chic, I have merged your post to the original topic

associated topics are
A question, hopefully this wont offend anybody.
[A question, hopefully this wont offend anybody.)
and
Lucid Dreaming and My Lord?
part I https://community.ld4all.com/t/lucid-dreaming-and-my-lord/7546
part II [Lucid Dreaming and My Lord?-Part II)

Thanks for the links moogle!
btw, are you Catholic? I think I read that somewhere … I’m just curious, I plan on becoming catholic :wink:

It goes toward dreaming in general… In the Middle Ages a sector in the Bible about witchcraft was mistranslated to mean dream recollection or similar. (correction?). I don’t see how this is possible since God sent several vital messages using dreams.

I have heard of/seen LDing mistaken for witchcraft by the misinformed. It deals with perception/reality altering, people think you must be a witch/druggie if you do either. It is simply being aware that you are dreaming, but there may be religious issues with how this is attained.

The actual state isn’t the issue I think, maybe mistaken for what people do in that state. I personally see actions in LD variant of a ND and not something too be too concerned about. The rule is if you have problems with an action or think you may don’t do it.

It seems alot of Christians, want to be bored stiff. There overall view of life, is not to enjoy it, and one day our suffering will end, and will be in heaven. What a bitter way to look at life.I think alot of Christians are afraid to do anyting new, like LDing, it probaly scares the hell out of them. Your alive now, so live.

Kavaa I wouldn’t talk bad of anothers way of life it’s nothing for you to change what may be boring for you may be enjoyable for others. That is like saying that i would rather live in a big city rather then in a Small Backroad town… it may suck for some in the city but others love it and some hate the small backroad town but others enjoy it. So I wouldn’t say bad things about others life just enjoy your own :wink:

no i’m not a church going person at all but don’t talk down to others it only makes you look bad. :bored:

Yes, St Jerome diliberatly mistranslated the hebrew word for recalling dreams into the greek word for witchraft when he did his Vulgate Translation for the Pope, because of a dream he had in which he was flogged for his dreamwork in front of an otherowrldy court. He took it as a sign that his dreamwork was sinful. if you ask me, it was his subconscious uncertainties about dreaming and his faith emerging in a nightmare as a result of repression…if I do say so myself :razz:

I don’t think lucid dreaming is a sin, neither is pleasure, neither is sex after marriage. (And neither is going to the toilet for all of you who believe what the Simsons say)
I see nothing wrong with lucid dreaming, but as for the activities in the LD I think gunning down innocent children and enjoying it is still sick and evil, as to what Jeff said before about killing all the people when you change dreamscenes, that’s not bad you’re not really since they don’t exist but in the case of gunning down innocents is more the fact you’re enjoying breaking the first commandment. As for sex in an LD I have no idea, beause I don’t think sex is inherantly evil it makes it difficult to decide, however I’m only 14 and I’m not really likely to be doing that in an LD soon so I have time to decide :smile:.

These are just my opinions, I am Catholic, and thus my view will be very different to a muslim or a buddist, and you are all entitled to your opinion.

if we have to wait to heaven to enjoy ourselfs then why bother living, i mean its not painful but theres no point and eventually it is painful because you get so bored you die of boardem.if thats the case then we are all for gods entertainment

“good things come to those who wait” hmm … guess people don’t believe in this anymore… besides who says you can’t enjoy yourself? I don’t remember reading that anywhere?