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Skidzz
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Sometimes SP is just too scary...
PostPosted: Sat 29 Dec, 2007  Reply with quote

I'm a pretty seasoned SPer. I hope that doesn't sound too boastful, but what I mean to say is that I have it a lot. I've been having it on frequent occasions for about 5, 6 years now. Sometimes it's bearable; like if it happens past sunrise, I'm not so scared. In fact, I enjoy it. But if it ever happens in the middle of the night, I'm usually terrified. How can I get past that? Maybe I have this weird idea in the back of my mind that it's a ghost/poltergeist that's the cause of it, and that always scares me. Funny thing is I sleep with an eye mask and ear plugs in, largely in part to avoid thinking the sounds I'm hearing are external and then (providing the mask is on) not being able to see scary stuff.

The reason for my post is... how can I NOT be afraid to have SP? I mean, I have it so often, I wish I could embrace it every time and use it to my advantage. On record I think I've had it up to 4 times in one night. Last night I had it three seperate times (it was a rough night, lemme tell ya.) Any suggestions? Does turning on a little night light seem to help anyone?


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

I have read quite a bit about SP and it seems that I am getting too excited and losing it. This is while falling to sleep. I am not sure if it actually qualifies as a SP though. My heartbeat rises, my whole body feels numb and it feels like I am floating. I always get curious and move my arm and it stops.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Curiosity killed the cat :D
I don't know which cat it killed, though, and if Curiosity is felicidal, who says it won't turn homicidal?

Anyway, last time I had SP, my heart-rate increased, head felt strange, and the weird thing was - my eyelids went crazy for a second. Then it stopped.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

related to the "Old Hag" phenomenon is a similar event that seems to happen to young, Laotian Hmong refugees. I heard a lecture on this once.
Sudden Unexpected Nocturnal Death Syndrome


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

al wrote:
related to the "Old Hag" phenomenon is a similar event that seems to happen to young, Laotian Hmong refugees. I heard a lecture on this once.
Sudden Unexpected Nocturnal Death Syndrome

As it said in the article they were under a lot of stress anyway due to war/migration etc. They also had a real belief that 'the entity' was real.
We all know the biggest factor in old hag is the fear element and not knowing that it is an illusion made by the subconscious to explain the feelings felt during SP.
So it is an interesting article but i hope it doesn't add to any SP fears that members have.



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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Yes, you're right -- I'm sorry I didn't think about that. I'm kind of surprised in retrospect that the researchers didn't discuss it much, either.

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was this sleep paralysis?
PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

<mod>moved from general lucidness forum to the Big SP and Old Hag topic moogle </mod>

I dont know if this is the right section to ask in but its general so ill ask it here.

last night around 3 or 4 am i woke up and started nodding back off to sleep, i opened my eyes but i couldnt see anything except a small peice of the ceiling i was looking at, the rest was darkness. I couldnt move my body and then i couldnt keep my eyes open any longer, I was straining very hard to keep my eyes open. when my eyes closed it felt like I was being pulled against my bed so I couldnt move or get up, about 3-4 seconds later I could move my body again and open my eyes.

my question is if this is sleep paralysis seeing as how I couldnt move at all and I had just woken up and kind of drifted back into sleep.


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

yes it's SP


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

i once felt like a packed sausage :D i could move only a little bit and i had a dream of some kinda wars and generals... everything looked pink... is that a SP?

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Usually in sleep paralysis, it is possible to move first the eyes, then the fingers and toes, before the paralysis wears off and we are able to fully move again. Could the pink come from partially open eyes? That used to happen to me quite a lot in my childhood and teens. It is also not uncommon to be aware of both the physical, paralysed body and a dream at the same time, and it can be used to start a lucid dream from. Were you waking up, or falling asleep when you had this experience? I get sleep paralysis quite easily if i wake myself up from a dream on purpose. siiw


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Kill the Old Hag!!
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<mod>Moved from the Quest for Lucidty ysim</mod>
If the old hag and other terrifying hallucinations that go with sleep paralysis ever attack you- kill them. Don't sit there and tremble like a little baby, KILL THEM. Close your eyes, imagine your favorite fight song in the background (mine is Stain of Mind by Slayer) and imagine yourself with a chainsaw, or any other weapon of your choice.

Tell the hallucinations that you're not afraid of them. Yell at them with all of your rage (inside of your head of course) and just beat the living s*** out of them! Send that she-devil or whatever monster there is back to hell!

Once you break out of the SP with your clothes stained in blood and guts, get up from your bed, and talking out loud, threaten the hallucination that if were ever to come back again, you would take your rage to even further lengths.

(It'd even be better if you could go into an LD beating up the hallucination ^^)


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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

How are you going to fight when you can't move?

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

krakatoa wrote:
How are you going to fight when you can't move?


The whole event itself is just an hallucination- It's all in your head.
The only way you can fight it is in your head. Just imagine yourself killing it- show no mercy. How dare it scare you like that!? Eventually, you might just slip into a dream, and hopefully you will see the old hag in your dream. Become lucid, and this time really fight it grrr


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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Why bother killing them? That seems so negative. I've only ever encountered the Old Hag once before, in the form of a shadow with glowing eyes who tried to strangle me. How did I defeat it? I just laughed. I laughed as hard as I could. I even tried shaking the shadow's hand.

You see, Old Hag results from your mind's fear during paralysis in the dark. Change that fear into happiness, and the attacking demon becomes something much more benign. In my case, the shadow degenerated and reformed into a Buddhist-looking monk, who then guided me into a lucid dream.


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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Wyrmfell wrote:
Why bother killing them? That seems so negative. I've only ever encountered the Old Hag once before, in the form of a shadow with glowing eyes who tried to strangle me. How did I defeat it? I just laughed. I laughed as hard as I could. I even tried shaking the shadow's hand.

You see, Old Hag results from your mind's fear during paralysis in the dark. Change that fear into happiness, and the attacking demon becomes something much more benign. In my case, the shadow degenerated and reformed into a Buddhist-looking monk, who then guided me into a lucid dream.


I find the state of SP fun. I honestly do. The voices, cries, knocks on the wall, and shaking are humorous wink However, some people can't stay calm and laugh at the hallucinations. I probably could, but for now, it's easier converting my fear of the hallucinations into anger. That's why I suggest slaughtering these hallucinations siiw

But, to each their own ways, I guess. wink I guess I could try making peace with the hallucinations...

Yes, that's what I'll do next time! ^^


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