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acillis
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Shadow beings
PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

i am sorry if this is in the wrong place, actually, no I'm not:) shadow beings is a very touchy subject, people see them in reality and dreams! listen to me ok, nobody knows nothing at all whats going on here! i believe the succubus and shadow people/shadow beings are in fact the one and the same, but i have no proof, only my own experience with both of them, if they are a species, they need to reproduce somehow right? anyone eles here see the connection between them? OK now is the question, where they come from, man they dont come from the future like some idiot thought, why would our future selves scare us and hurt us, get lost! with that theory..... i know things which you guys may think nuts but please hear me out,,,,,, just as we are able to walk in the flesh, so can they, and they been here awhile now walking amongest us. children born of darkness, and they know who they are!!!! and they dont want me telling anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! anyway, the question is where do they come from???? the answer is of cause the void, a huge realm of nonthingness utterly dark in all directions. i hope i have helped shed some light on the subject, ask me any question and ill answer it if i can.... bye


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

draait ..:: Disclaimer ::.. draait

(I consider myself to be aligned to the light. At least that is what I strive to be even though when I strive to be I never feel like I am really there yet, so I keep striving and understand as a human I am rather gray at times.)

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Well I am not so sure was to what you mean by in reality, or in the flesh... well I do, but I don't exactly agree with the same ideals as you... (1. will get back to this later...)

In dreamland I definately have come across creatures of a dimmer light, shadow creatures, darkness if you will.... I refer to them as the people of the night, lords of illusion... (because for me they usually appear when it's a night time scene loaded, and because they disguise themselves very well)... actually I had a semi lucid dream last night regarding one... and others in the past...(2. will get back to this later)... I am still exploring their existence, as I am curious to their purpose; their role; and their allowance to persist...which brings me too...

Where I stand now is that I know that without the light there can be no darkness, and without the darkness there can be no light. Well they can exist without the other, yet it would be hard to understand oneself without something else to compare yourself too. (and boring to exist too..)

Ying and Yang, Give and Take, Push and Pull, Ebb and Flow. While we may not understand it directly their existence has a purpose. There has and will always be both sides to the equation, and a little grey place inbetween. Those that are neither really light or dark, or that are light but not so light, and those that are dark, but not that dark. Like a dark that you look at and pat them on the head and say, "ahhh how cute, you're so dark."

Take a sine-wave for example. A sine wave has a peak, a valley, and a middle point inbetween the too. However, the highs, the lows, and the middle are all one thing. The sine-wave.

I feel the same goes for those that are light, and those that are dark, while we may not understand eachother, (or I may not understand it now) we are all one in the same, a small part of a greater infinite understanding that even the most intelligent and benevolent beings of light, and the darkest dark darks don't completely comprehend.

*takes a shot of tequila*

So, it is a fact that they exist? But does that mean we should fear them? Get stressed out by them? Worry about them? Naw, they will always be, and so shall we. Maybe there will be a time in which it will seem less like a confusion and more like a never-ending-cosmic-game-of-quantum-dream-chess. Of course, as I stated when I started, this is what I feel about the dream land.

1. (return) -- Earth is and always has been bound by different rules as those as the dream realms. As humans we exist in a limited, finite reality, that exists separately from the rest of the universe. Our gift is choice, the choice to choose light, or dark, or nothing at all. While I wish that this existence was not easily permeable by those of a higher conscious I suppose it is possible that people may cheat while playing the game. If you believe that creatures of a higher dark exist in a human form then you must also know that there are creatures of a higher light exploiting the same loopholes. (i.e. sine-wave; one must exist with if the other does here)

*sips another half shot of tequila*

I think I shall end my ramblings here... Although, I love these types of discussions, and have many more thoughts on the subject...


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acillis
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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

hehe you know your stuff,to answer some of your questions, i would rather face my fears.
im actually trying to invesigate them on a spiritual level, i got a name of a female shadow being, but then the experience turned nasty, her name was something like
remines or reminds, or somerthing like that:P
was a rather painful experience,and yes, i believe light beings would use the same loop holes:) why not?
how could iinvesigategate better??????????


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

acillis wrote:
hehe you know your stuff,

smile Those are just my personal beliefs on the matter. No way to tell how accurate they are, and I am sure they will change over time (as they always do). Thats one of the many things I love about Earth (and being human); there is no definate correct answer. There are so many beliefs that are unique and special in their own way. To me, any individuals attempt to comprehend \ explain \ evaluate the universe (and our place is in it) is a great good thing. The diversty of thought found here is truly inspiring.

acillis wrote:
im actually trying to invesigate them on a spiritual level...how could iinvesigategate better??????????


Hrms... Can't help you there. I don't go actively looking for such things when I dream. However, sometimes paths do cross, and if hostility insues I am sure to fall back upon my defenses. I am sure that if you have a will to know; then your answers will come to you; or evade you.. lol it all depends on your perspective, I suppose.


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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

shadow beings to me has a bit of a different meaning than what you're discussing right now, meaning creatures that travel through "shadow" which the earth we know of is one, consider them alternate reality's somewhere between "order" (referred to as amber) and "chaos"

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PostPosted: Sat 12 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

I am not a hundred percent sure I have understood what you mean by "creatures of darkness". Are you speaking about a being from another realm that can embody humana form - but without details such as faces? Or are you speaking of normal people making deals with satan? Or are you speaking of demons and angels?

I must say that, regardless of my question, you should not see light and darkness as aligned to either good or evil. Because it is a common stereotype, that does not make it true.


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

TwilightDreamer wrote:

I must say that, regardless of my question, you should not see light and darkness as aligned to either good or evil. Because it is a common stereotype, that does not make it true.


I know my statements kinda layed it out as left or right...

Although, I have a similiar sentiments to your words...

Recently I have been learning to understand that regardless of alignment everything is one...Light and Dark, Good and Evil, Happiness and Sadness, etc...
However, that idea has been a little bit disconcerting..

As in, if we were all to become one then what happens to identiy and uniqueness.

I cherish the separtion of the choice between one or the other... unfortunately it seems this reality has created this definate separation between the two (+ the little grey in the middle)

I don't have anything against those that choose opposites to I... I completely respect them, and love them... At least they have made a choice....

sirius)(black wrote:

meaning creatures that travel through "shadow" which the earth we know of is one


I am curious to understand what you mean by that... like, do you mean earth is traveling through a "shadow" space now? or something else....?

I really enjoy hearing other peoples perspective on things... smile


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Crazy?
PostPosted: Mon 14 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

There was a point in that spiel where you said people might think your nuts, but I don't think your nuts. I think your crazy! grin

But in the best possible way!


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Edit: Damn, this is a lot longer than I was expecting. Try to read it anyway though; I promise it will be worthwhile.

Ok so I've done a lot of personal mind exploration and experimentation. On top of that, I'm kind of crazy. I've always been. I think I'm bipolar or something, but I've always (yes, always) felt like I had a close connection to the spirit world. Raised a Roman Catholic, and very intelligent, I questioned the beliefs of the Catholic Church, then eventually threw them away. My exploration and journey is a living process, but what I have come to believe now, is that human life is an embodiment of good and evil, the light and good, whatever. We have plenty of ways to say it, I will call it good and evil. I've recently began questioning what makes the good so good? What makes bad so bad? Nothing is the answer. Society has simply trained us to believe that the right way is good, and perhaps that is better, because it will ensure a longer survival of our species.

Now I've heard voices. Sober and not, but the clearest ones were sober. I've heard a voice that's obviously come from above, questioning me and making me realize how "bad" what I've been doing is, but in a way that makes it seem "okay" because this voice is forever-forgiving. I made this voice out to be that of God. I still have my qualms about whether God is personal to the individual consciousness or if God is a shared infinity. Now we've always learned to listen to that voice of God, but isn't that a bit biased? Here is where I begin to step on my Catholic teachings. One day I was zoning out, with my eyes (not eyelids) going lower and lower. I let it happen; I looked at the ground and heard what I made out to be the devil.

"Hi Brian," it said. "I know you've been thinking about me."

Yeah, it was kind of creepy at first, but how else would the Devil begin a conversation? I still haven't let myself hear him out completely, but what I have come to conclude is that I (and I believe everyone else, as well, although I haven't experienced anything from someone else's consciousness of course) have and equal good and bad side. [Every] human does. Other entities in this world may be good or bad. Entities not limited to certain spirits, energies, and the like, but also actions and events. There's either a "positive" or "negative" result.

I'm becoming increasingly interested in the dark side. We're surrounded by all these messages telling us to be good, be good. You read the Bible and learn how to love. You go to mass and learn how to forgive. I find the light to become a bit suspicious. There's no letting us in on what goes on in the dark side. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT GOES ON. I WILL FIND OUT. I promised myself I would not harm anyone else and I would not harm myself in this journey. As long as I abide by those rules I believe I can venture deep into the realms of hate, regret, fear and learn to control them as I have learned to control love, forgiveness, and trust.

So about these "shadow beings" or shadow people as my druggie friends like to call them, I believe they're always there. You know the whole etheric/astral plane thing? I think about it like this. Through our human senses, we know of 3 dimensions: x, y, and z, sometimes t if your considering time a dimension, and you can go ahead and do that if you want. I believe sometimes, we are able to, with powers that we are less aware of than our 5 senses, experience a 5th, and maybe 6th, 7th, etc. dimension. Let's say we had x, y, z, and w. Forget about time right now (although perhaps it is equivalent to w). Our physical, "perceived" (through our humanly 5 obvious senses) image of the world is what I will call the physical plane. Perhaps the etheric/astral (I don't know too much about that terminology. Some of those readings kill me because I disagree so much with them) planes have the same x, y, and z coordinates, but a different w. Making the plane in the same physical place, yet somewhere else. Maybe a different time if t=w.

Maybe, just maybe, we are always subconsciously accessing a 6th sense that lets us experience a positive value of w, bringing us into a heavenly, "good" earth experience. We know about drilling things into our subconscious by repetition, vocalizing, reading, experiencing. These are things that are influenced upon us by the media, church, and government...different forces with different programs for us. If we truly wish to open our minds, shouldn't we be able to zoom out, subconsciously as well as consciously, and make that w value negative. Maybe we can have our perception in two of these "w" locations at once. We will be able to experience the good simultaneously with the bad, and see things for what they really are.

There's so many ways I can go with this. See, if t=w...then is heaven the beginning, and hell the end? The story goes that God created the world, right? Maybe to ensure survival of this world we are to follow the good, so that the evil never takes over, for when it does, the Devil will destroy it. Maybe that conclusion is way off? I think there's more we have to think about. The human race could make so much more progress if its thoughts weren't plagued by such bullshit (pardon my French) on a daily basis. Just telling yourself you want to lucid dream effects your subconscious, so does everything the programmers (gov't, religion, etc). Keep it in mind, and think about it. I think the shadow people are always there, but we can only see them in certain states of mind that let us experience them.

I learned a lot just typing this, it helps to get it out somewhere. There's a lot of ways to look at this, just make sure you're looking at ALL of it.


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

See, shadow people are most commonly seen when : A. You are on something green, or B. You haven't slept in over 24 hours.

Shadow people are hallucinations. That is why you never really see them. You will catch a glimpse most commonly amongst other shadows of different objects. You aren't seeing creatures from another plane. Of course I cannot prove this, and would like to think otherwise, but I firmly believe they are simply products of our mind.


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PostPosted: Sun 20 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Yes, i must agree with Lizard King here. There in no explanation for Shadow people, because they are simply tricks our mind is playing. Maybe sometimes we can feel the presence of something dark, like bad energy or a spirit but not actual people. There are evil humans, psycho killers, ones who tend to harm others and cause pain, people who send bad energy vibes but not 'creatures of the darkness'. But that's of course just my opinion, i could certainly be wrong.

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

i personally believe they exist as i have on a few occasions seem them; and not just out of the side of my eye or always while tired (though in most cases i admit i may of been), but directly

though i have never perceived really a threatening feeling from any of them (with one exception but i have no idea why that one time was different)


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PostPosted: Sat 26 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Hm, Im gonna throw in my two cents. I just wanted to say that I have seen a certain shadow being twice at my old house. And I wasnt on anything green(and never have been) and had plenty of sleep. One of these two times, my brother saw the exact samething at the same time as me. Im not saying this couldnt be a trick of the light or mind, just thought it is an interesting experience to throw in. Of course that was many years ago and I havent actually seen anything (besides tricks of the mind after watching scary movies:-P) in years.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Rare wrote:

Recently I have been learning to understand that regardless of alignment everything is one...Light and Dark, Good and Evil, Happiness and Sadness, etc...
However, that idea has been a little bit disconcerting..

As in, if we were all to become one then what happens to identiy and uniqueness.


I have to disagree. The two cannot exsist without each other, but that certainly does not make them the same. Male, and Female, are different, but we would die if there was only one. They aren't the same, though.


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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jan, 2008  Reply with quote

Nature has a wonderful way of surviving, some species are capable of laying/growing/fertilising their own eggs in the absence of the opposite gender. Whether the absence of one gender may cause humans to evolve in such a way is unknown, but just remember hermaphrodites do exist already. It would only have to become more common place with the ability of fertilisation via ones own sperm.

Likely? No. Impossible? Definitely not.


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