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MaximumLD
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

I also would not kill the hallucinations, since that's not my style. I would also prefer trying to change them into something positive.

And sleep paralysis shouldn't be afraid at all, since it's not real. Just a procedure of your body, and hallucinations made by your brain.

I've woken up to maybe 2 SPs but no any monsters have appeared, maybe because I havent even thought about them.


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PostPosted: Tue 19 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

I think what you are doing by suggesting this is saying, believe you can overpower the hallucinations. By saying to kill them, and believing you can do this. You are saying you have enough belief in your physical strength to be able to best them in combat. This would mean you should have nothing to fear from them since you can beat them. If this belief stops you fearing them, it will most likely help to stop the hallucinations putting you in a state of fear. The only drawbacks I can see is, this method wouldn't work for everyone, and a slight risk that you might get so fired up you can't get to sleep fully and dream wink5 If it works for you, good luck :D


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Worried about old hag experience...? wilds?
PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Well, I have been really interested in LDing for awhile but just recently got serious about it. I just read about an "old hag" experience and the reason I dont watch scary movies anymore is bc i dont want to see any old hags. So i was just wondering, does this usually only occur during a WILD? i mean, generally speaking, and can your eyes be open or are they closed when this happens? does this happen to a lot of people? sorry for all the noob questions.

Oh, and when I was like 8 years old I woke up in the middle of the night and i had a bunkbed so above me was some wooden boards to stabilize the mattress on the top bunk. The wood had like those darker wood swirls in it and i saw my dad's face in one of them but really EVIL looking. I was so spooked but i kept on staring figuring it would fade away quickly but it didnt so i covered my face with a blanket, counted to 3, and looked again and it was still there. so then i was nearly frozen with fear and just managed to jump out of bed and run to my moms as fast as i could. what was that? was that like an old hag exp? i dont get how you can be awake and paralyzed though in an old hag exp. and why is it always something creepy? or is it ever something good?


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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

Sp is just when your body is asleep while you are awake and with the 'old hag' thing, it's not real so technically there's nothing to worry about. Can't hurt ya

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

SP in and of itself is rare for a WILD, and Old Hag is even rarer. When it does happen, there are two things you must realize in order to minimize the negativity of the experience. First, whatever it is that is attacking you is a hallucination. It is not real. It cannot hurt you.

The second, and most important thing to realize is that your fear of the Old Hag makes it worse. When you enter SP, your brain becomes scared, as it is dark and you cannot move your body. Your brain is still partially in dream-mode, leading to an increased susceptibility to hallucinations. Thus, your natural fear from not being able to move in the darkness is expressed as a scary hallucination of a monster. This is important: Your fear is what's creating the Old Hag!

The best way to defeat and even avoid Old Hag is to, pardon the cliché, think happy thoughts. When you first see the Old Hag, laugh. Laugh long and heartily. Even though you're not physically moving, your brain is still experience the release of seratonin from the laughter, lightening your mood, and changing the Old Hag into something less fearsome. The one time I had Old Hag, I tried laughing, and the ghostly shadow tormenting me transformed into a Zen monk, who lead me into a lucid dream.

This advice is good for when you experience Old Hag, but in all honesty your odds of experience it are less than one in a thousand. Good luck trying WILD! :D


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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

thanks, that was really informative and i will definitely remember to do that. but is it really that rare? it seems like a lot of people have experienced it. but when you see it are your eyes still closeD? since youre paralyzed

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Feb, 2008  Reply with quote

larevebelle wrote:
thanks, that was really informative and i will definitely remember to do that. but is it really that rare? it seems like a lot of people have experienced it. but when you see it are your eyes still closeD? since youre paralyzed


Even in normal dreams, your eyes are still moving underneath the closed lids. They're immune to the effects of SP, meaning you can still move them even when the rest of your body is paralyzed.


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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar, 2008  Reply with quote

I dont know if it has anything to do with SP but:
Sometimes, when Im going to fall asleep, I have strange feeling like if the whole bed was moving, spinning or shaking, often all of this combined. Also, usually when I open my eyes during this, my eyeview is shaking...
My question is: WTF is that??? Its actually quite cool but I would like to know what it is...It actually isnt SP coz I can move, but maybe it has something to do with SP.


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Apr, 2008  Reply with quote

From my diary:
"1.I layed on my back, got relaxed and closed my eyes. I noticed how in the blackness some colourful spots appeared. Suddenly, it happened something like a electro-sock. Like current instantly went through my body. I heared also at that moment a "tick" sound. The strange is that i felt a little (very little) pain, like this that is caused by static electricity. That's all though neutral

2.While i had closed my eyes and tried to go lucid through WILD, suddenly i had a strange feeling: like i was instantly above my body, and "fell" roughly again into it. Very strange.

I hadn't any SP or hallucinations "

Are these good signs?

At night it is impossible to exercise WILD. I am afraid the dark, i can't do something about it yet smile But during the day, i think it is better because there is some light from outside.

I have some questions:

1.Does it matter to be some noise or sounds (e.g. the ticking of a clock) in the place where i practise WILD?

2.Is it very important to do a relaxation exercise. ''till now, i just stretch and unstrech my body.

3.The eyes must be closed, i quess. Then can i select where my lucid dream will take place at the beginning, so to don't be to any place like a room (open areas i think are less frightening )?

...thank for your time! ^^

Something else: I have experienced hallucinations with my eyes opened! I was sitting somewhere and i was very bored, i feel that i would sleep soon but i tried not to. Suddenlt it seems that i was to a semi-wake phase, and an object seemed like a face of a human. I wasn't scared much, but this made me more aware and i wake up without to open my eyes (so indeed i had them opened)


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Apr, 2008  Reply with quote

It seem that it just doesn't work for me.. i lay onmy back, i close my eyes, i concetrate to the black and purple that i "see", but nothing happens. Maybe WILD is not for me..

By the way, usually only black and purple i "see". And some very faint yellow.

I will try a different approaching that is based on WILD.


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PostPosted: Sun 04 May, 2008  Reply with quote

I used to see the colored specks when I was younger. They would screw around with me every night for a few years. I had to sleep in my moms room because they scared the shit out of me. They would cover my body and my hands and they would make weird shapes. Sometimes something like an icecream cone and sometimes a lion or elephant.

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PostPosted: Wed 14 May, 2008  Reply with quote

SmarterChild wrote:
I have read quite a bit about SP and it seems that I am getting too excited and losing it. This is while falling to sleep. I am not sure if it actually qualifies as a SP though. My heartbeat rises, my whole body feels numb and it feels like I am floating. I always get curious and move my arm and it stops.


I get this as well, I think. My heart rate suddenly increases, and I realise I am on the verge of sleep, and then wake up straight away! I'd always thought the heart rate increase was due to me getting excited at nearly being asleep, but I now realise it's probably a signal of oncoming SP. Never actually had it myselfthough, not particularly looking forward to if/when I do!


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PostPosted: Thu 12 Jun, 2008  Reply with quote

Ive had one, it freaked me the hell out, that show I came across this site searching for what just happened.

I guess it was just a normal night and I woke up on my bell facing my wall. I tried to move my arm out from underneath my chin (i was using kind of as a pillow you know) and I couldn't. I remember staring at the wall infront of me, thinking there was something behind me, I couldnt turn around, I tried to yell for my mom (like a ***..haha i know) and I couldnt. After 10 seconds or so I just got up.


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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jun, 2008  Reply with quote

My SP was a bit weird too, it was yesterday (not at night) I woke up from a failed LD, and being suprised I tried to get up, it felt as if something bubbled in my stomach as I tried to move my arm, it also felt like I was moving my arm. Though it only lasted 10 seconds, I was kind of freaked. (I didn't experience the haulisantion).

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Jun, 2008  Reply with quote

and i suddenly woke up...my friend was near me and talking to me as if i could respond...i was kinda worried since i could not move my body at all...
he left...i felt like getting up...but i could not? i felt so relaxed....

edit: everything was kinda grey/blue


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