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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jun, 2008  Reply with quote

Uhh yea, I kind of got ahead self there. Im just so ready for it. Im down at the starting line just waiting for the starting gun to fire.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

TIN FOIL HAT CONVENTION

wiske

one must disbelieve in all paranoid conspiracies in order to be happy

you can spend your whole life thinking about micro-chips or disasters, and then,e very day, you are keeping a subtle pani inside you, a pain that robs you from beauty and bliss, and love

don't BELIEVE something unless it EMPOWERS YOU

anyone can string a long series of indoctrinating "facts" together.


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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

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he told me that God is going to unleash an array of disasters upon mankind like really bad natural disasters ... Isreal making peace with Palestine ...

lach2

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I think I want to drown out the thoughts, and simply live an altruistic life as best I can. That way, if heaven and hell exists, I can probably assume I've done alright.

As I see it, true altruism is not being good so that you can be saved in the afterlife - it's because you genuinely care and genuinely want to do the right thing. I once met some Christians who only tolerated non-Christians because it was what they thought God wanted them to do. Deep down, they didn't want to help non-Christians. I think that's a horrible attitude. It doesn't matter what someone believes - you should be compassionate because it's the right thing to do, not because God tells you to and you're afraid of losing your good standing with him. I swear, if I ever adopt a religion, it's going to be Buddhism. It's so much more peaceful. tounge2

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Even the musicians are part of this, tool and incubus the ones I know.

As a musician, I resent that. Incubus in particular (I haven't really listened to Tool) are a fantastic rock band. They sing about love and beauty and the emotions that drive us all. I find many of their songs incredibly moving. People can't seriously think they're doing the work of some Antichrist - that's ridiculous, ignorant and insulting. Musicians draw on their own inner creativity and imagination, for goodness' sake.

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now my paradox is I can easily believe that evil can control things, everything, but its harder for me to think an honest Good entity, is more strong, and is really the one pulling all the strings.

Why do you have to think of it in terms of completely good or completely evil? The world doesn't operate that way - everything is mixed in with the good and the bad. It's thinking in terms of pure good and evil that leads to prejudice and conflict - often each side in a war, for instance, is utterly convinced they are in the right and the other side is pure evil. In reality, both sides send good men off to fight in the name of what is 'right', and yet good men on both sides end up doing evil things like killing each other. It's a matter of perception and often culture. The world isn't so simple as to be neatly categorised into black and white, and neither is religion. You'd be making a mistake to see it that way.

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2. Love your neighbour as yourself

This is the best thing that ever came out of Christianity, and yet it's the one that people usually can't seem to follow. My dad (an atheist, by the way) taught me this commandment when I was little, and it's always had a huge effect on the way I live my life. I may not believe in God, but this little piece of advice is the secret to solving the world's problems. wink5

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4. Religion is the biggest cause of wars EVER.

True.

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I seriously doubt anything happens at all, except the end of the Mayan calendar. I think that maybe the calendar repeats itself, just like every other calendar in existence... Plus, something tells me the Mayans didn't believe in the Christian god...

Yes, I was also grappling with the strange idea that the two could be put together like that - it makes no sense at all, not even in a weird illogical way. You may as well say that the Mayans were secretly influenced by the Greek gods, or the Hindu gods, or some E.T.s in UFOs.

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we might realize what horrible things we are doing everyday.
stop hurting our planet.stop wars.start using alternative energy and such.
peace...

Yes, this would be a very sensible thing to do, but unfortunately most of the world's governments aren't doing enough about it. It has nothing to do with religion, though - it's a matter of survival.

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if nothing happens and the maya prophecies are wrong (note that most other false prophecies were based on crappy calendars)

the human race will selfedestruct
Nuclear Fire wil rain from the sky

I like (sarcasm) this assumption that a new world order is miraculously going to solve all the world's problems. Indonesia had a "New Order" government - things dramatically changed, yes, but it became no less corrupt or unstable. Even if I assume you're right, for the sake of the argument, and things DO change in 2012, who says it's a change for the better? Maybe someone like a worse George Bush will come into power and bomb 99/100 of the world's population into smithereens, so that the remaining 1% can use the rest of the world's resources.

And yes, it's just a guess, but it's also a complete guess to say that nuclear fire will fall from the sky if nothing changes. We can't claim to know the future, and neither can you (unless you believe you saw all this in a vision or something, but I'm assuming not), so why are you trying to convince everyone of what's going to happen with an unfounded guess?

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I hope everyone realizes there was mass panic regarding the year 1000 and 2000 for the exact same reasons we're worrying. They were all proven wrong. There is no scientific basis to back up any of this childish speculation.

Exactly. It's not childish, though - children know when they're making things up, and don't actually believe it themselves. tounge2

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don't BELIEVE something unless it EMPOWERS YOU

I was about to agree with this, but then I had second thoughts. Empowerment is often used as an excuse to justify arrogance, and it's arrogance I can't stand. Who are we to tell people what and what not to believe, anyway? Belief isn't something you can just control and say: "Okay, today I am going to start believing in the Hindu gods. Yes, I now fully and completely and truly believe that the Hindu gods exist" ... it just doesn't work like that. It's not a conscious decision - I think that's the key part that everyone gets so confused over! You can want to believe something - I, for one, would love to believe in a god, because I'm terrified of death. Any assurance of an afterlife would be much appreciated, because I'd be comforted to know that this isn't all there is and not everything I do is for nothing. Surprised to hear that coming from an atheist? It's true. The reason I don't believe in anything isn't because I don't want to - it's because I just can't. I don't. How can I, when there's nothing there to convince me? Likewise, although I say I'm an atheist, I also can't truly believe there's nothing out there, because there's also no conclusive proof of that.

It's because people mistakenly think that belief is a conscious choice that they spend so much time trying to convert each other and convince people that they're wrong. They're wasting their time. You'll never be able to convince most people directly, because belief doesn't work that way. Belief comes slowly, through a gradual understanding or personal experience. Others can argue all they like, but it's not going to make a difference. I think it is possible to (truly, not just in name) convert someone, but it would have to be done by long-term immersion in the religious culture surrounding the belief, so that the person can come to understand it and believe. Otherwise, I don't think it can be done.


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Jul, 2008  Reply with quote

Eyelids wrote:
TIN FOIL HAT CONVENTION

wiske

one must disbelieve in all paranoid conspiracies in order to be happy

you can spend your whole life thinking about micro-chips or disasters, and then,e very day, you are keeping a subtle pani inside you, a pain that robs you from beauty and bliss, and love

don't BELIEVE something unless it EMPOWERS YOU

anyone can string a long series of indoctrinating "facts" together.


I like this post. I do spend a ton of my time thinking about things like that.


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

I think people need to stop viewing themselves as victims. There are no victims, only limited view, only subjectivity that causes the victim mindset. Stop looking for something to save you and start saving yourself.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

Several facts in the Zeigeist move (Part 1) are easily controllable even from Wikipedia (life stories of the "sons of the God"). Their interpretations are not problable 100% correct but genarally ok.

But at the same time there are several weak points and scientifically unproved statements in the move- What The BLEEP Do We Know!? I do not reccomend it as a scientiffic source of knowledge. Its more like pseudo science.


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Aug, 2008  Reply with quote

Modoc wrote:
gods will return in 2012 smile

hurray welcome boogie meditate rechterduim omhoog met knipoog lach2


no man know the hour or the day


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