Violence in Lucid Dreams

In one of my first lucid dreams, I tried punching people in the face. It’s just a silly thing to do. It is that feeling of freedom. You can do whatever you want, even punch random people in the face. It’s funny. I mean, imagine if you did that IRL, it would be ridiculous. There was no malice in it anyway. No aggression to release, just playfulness. Kittens play by fighting, why shouldn’t we? What do you think they dream about? You can’t go around second guessing yourself in dreams, that’s totally neurotic! If we can’t go nuts in our dreams, where can we go nuts?
I don’t bother with morals much since it’s all invented anyway, but when you kill someone in a dream, you’re not killing anybody, so why would that be a problem? Like cartoons, dream characters can be dead one second and alive the next. It’s just images and sounds and such.

True, but videogames are very impersonal. You control a character, sometimes not even first person, through a controller, which is a very impersonal device. Dreaming, on the other hand, is a first hand experience. It’s a simulation your mind produces, thus you are ‘in’ it. Committing violence when you have direct control over what happens is much more personal than only have a limited control of the situation.

Same here, I could never take a life IRL.

Perhaps this is true; However, as far as the accounts of dream murder I have seen go - Most killing and hurting in dreams doesn’t feel quite as realistic as RL ones. Specifically, killing generally occurs when the victim is out of sight, or by a relativly small injury - As if the death of that person is a fact, rather than something that the dreamer caused. I believe the dreamer knows of that - The dreamer is aware to the fact that the death isn’t realistic in most cases. Therfore, the dreamer is less immersed - unlike certain videogames and movies, where you can see very detailed ways of dying.

Videogames can be quite immersive. Obviously not as immersive as a dream can be, but it is still not reality, but a simulation, just like a video game. If the question is, “how immersed are you in the experience?”, then it leaves it open to say that if you murder somebody IRL, but you’re not really into it, that is less immoral than if you experience it with high intensity. That can be manifested in somebody taking sedatives before going on a killing spree, and he is then acting more morally than someone who does the same thing sober.
Does that make sense? The intent is all the same, the urge to kill, and the result is also the same, the death of people. From a consequentialist point of view, it’s all the same, and from a virtue/vice point of view it’s the same, from a rights point of view it’s all the same. With dreams being hte subject, can it be immoral at all? If the urge is not to kill real people, but only to pretend, then is it a vice? There are no consequences to speak of. Although the subject can be debated, it has yet to be proven that dream characters are actual persons, and it seems as of yet, to be the case that they are not, so nobody’s rights are being violated. From a Kantian point of view, if everybody killed dream characters whenever they felt like it, the world would still be the same.

Dream characters are a part of your dream.Of your mind.
If you kill a dream character, he just might appear in the next dream.
And they usually do( if you see them often in your dreams).

It is just your imagination.OK, imagine a man in your mind…Now imagine that you killed him with any weapon.Now, is that a crime?
I don’t think so.It’s just what you imagine.Just like dreams.

Well, this is what I think about it.

One dream in particular that i had ended quite violently. A guy that had gone to the same high school as me tried to drown my sister; long story short i punched his head until it caved, slit his throat and threw him into a river. It felt very justified within the dream but when i woke up a lot of the vibes were still lingering. It was without a doubt the most emotionally driven dream ive had and certainly felt like a release more than anything. I didnt feel right about it after waking up but I do realise it was just a creation of my subconcious.

It really makes you question what you’re actually cappable of as well as questioning the kinds of emotions and thoughts are stored up inside of yourself.

A curious metaphorical window, dreams are.

i foght alot of monsters\demons if that counts

well i feel, recently, that since this realm is the playground of the subconscious mind then what we choose to do within this ‘playground’ does in a way reflect upon our subconscious - it would almost seem directly. and although i have been on violent binges within my LD’s (using pyrokinesis against foes, blowing up cars with my mind, beatin the hell out of groups of nightmare chasers Neo-style), i feel its much more constructive/profound to dissolve fear within LD’s and promote peace and love, and i think that will echo throughout your being, and bring that type of clarity and response to RL actions to situations.

but it is nice sometimes to let loose i suppose :smile: lol

There are more consequences then going to jail.

I guess killing random people in LDs could be fun, like in GTA :razz:

I’m usually extremely violent in my dreams (not necessarily lucid ones, though I’ve done that too). In some dreams I “go for the throat” as soon as someone gives me so much as a look, if I “sense” that they’re out to get me.

IRL I would not be capable of doing such things, even if there were no negative consequences. Lucid Dreams are like video games. It’s not technically real, so I can do anything I want. I’ve been playing violent video games for many many years, yet I’ve never felt even the slightest urge to do the same in IRL as in a game.

Though that doesn’t explain why I’m ALSO very violent in non-lucid dreams. Don’t know how to explain that. :razz:

ehh i wouldnt say that…people have been caught by the LP’s before, lucid police, they kind of disable your powers, and kick you out of your dream…but if you come back, everythings back to normal :grin:
i have an excuse to hurt DC’s, either they piss me off, or thier evil, and i have quite a number of those, and i like guns, soooooo i guess you can see where this is goin’ :grin:

well if its your dream why would there be lucid police :eh:

Probably the guilt of your SC or something like that.

good point :cool:

i had a ld awhile ago where i chopped off this evil dc’s head…and enjoyed doing it :eek: and i would have said i would never be that violent in my dreams… :confused:

I’ve done some pretty messed up things and the majority of my dreams have at least one violent act in them. It’s been mentioned before. The views are that if you commit the crime over and over in a dream, you’ll be likely to wanna try it in real life. Or the opposing view: It serves as a way to vent these feelings and the person won’t be as tempted to do it in real life.
I really think it’s pretty cathartic. You have a stressful day, have a LD and kill a couple of people, wake up feeling less stressed. Beats breaking stuff in real life. Saves time too.

A lot of people who seriously harm people in LD’s wouldn’t even want to in real life. Sometimes the power rush in a LD can be a huge influence on the person’s state of mind, even if they have complete control. You might get unexpected urges or feelings. I never thought I would ever do anything in a LD where I was in complete control that would ever disturb me, (And I’ve done some pretty damn disturbing stuff.) but two weeks ago I had a LD where I had done something incredibly immoral and man…
I’m a firm believer in that if it’s in your head and you’re not hurting anyone (anyone real anyway) do what you want. It’s your business.
At the same time, I have also come to understand that if you feel the need to constantly cause harm in LD’s, maybe it’s time to take closer look at your life and see what the real issue is. Of course, there may be no issue and you just like the rush. That’s fine too.

I agree with those who say that it’s not necessary immoral to kill or hurt DCs in lucid dreams. If you start to elaborately plan how to hunt down and kill DCs in your lucid dreams during the day, then you might have a problem… :eek:

I can get quite violent in my lucid dreams, but I use it as a safe anger vent, and I only hurt or kill a DC if they provoke me and attack first. If I have a violent lucid dream after a stressful and frustrating day, then I feel a lot calmer and better in the morning.

well i have very frequent lucid dreams and i recently had a very violent and disturbing one.
me and my dad were chasing after a teorist(looked normal) who was giong to murder this lady in cold blood on a feild. me and my dad finally made it to the feild (on 4 metre tall spotted horses) and the scene changed to me the teorrist in what looked like the back of toilet block. what i remember was he was on the ground and had a pocket knife and i was bashing him with my foot. he kept on trying to reach for the knife which was next to his head and i crunched it with my foot breaking it eventually. then i started to stomp very forcefully on his head. all the while with a weird feeling of symphathy and anger and the driving force that i had to kill him beause hes a teorists. after i stomped on him and his face was covered with blood, with one motion i placed my boot on his head and started to very slowly push down with my foot slowly crushing his skull onto the pavement. as it broke beneath the force of my foot, his skull cracked and i completely crushed his skull onto the pavement. i could feel it all the while under my foot.

after that i turned around to my dad and he looked at me with a forced smile and said ‘try not to stomp on his head next time’. for some reason i felt a scense of panic and told myself that he came alive. running to a car out back i got in while my team got in the car my uncle handed me a profile report of the terriost. i realised that i had misinterprated physiological for physiotherapist and a few other things that had lead me to believe that he was a terriost. pannicking i went back to the scene of the crime and found him gone, realising that i didnt want that to happen because i was becoming scared, i refreshed it so he was on the floor but instead of having blood on his face and a crushed skull, he was clean and had a head(:P).

this was my dream, if you took the time to read it i appreaiate it. i can easily brush off other, more violent dreams but this one stayed with me longer and even had myself conviced for some time that it had actually happened. what do you think it means and what would you think if you had this dream???
[/i]:slight_smile: thanks, fissish

Everybody has violent desires inside them, even Gandhi, it is the human nature. When somebody wrongs us, we are all angry and would like to hurt that person in return. But we usually repress those desires and relatively few people are capable of hurting somebody for real. Therefore, it is normal to have violent dreams, we are not releasing the pressure, it is simply our instincts.
As for as murder or extreme violence are concerned, only people lacking empathy can do it. Only psychopaths turn these kind of deadly desires to reality.

In my dreams, lucid or non-lucid, it is often war, people die and I kill people (or zombies).