I can absolutely confirm that relaxation is the key. I’m meditating too and didn’t get any further than seeing brief HIs. Those made me quite excited (I’m still a beginner) and I wanted to see them clearer and longer. By trying to improve them (which is a mistake also) I noticed that I tensioned my eyelids (because of concentration), my lips and also my upper leg muscles. And therefore I didn’t get further.
Meanwhile I conquer my lips muscle tension with a light “inner” smile (think Mona Lisa or the smile of Buddha), so they remain relaxed. The other muscle tensions I conquer by imagining that the “Eigenlicht” or amorphous clouds I see first when I close my eyes and start relaxation, flow over my whole body and relax the muscles when they flow over them. It also helps to reduce muscle tension by imagining the sound “Aaahhhh” while exhaling.
When I let my thoughts just wander, I simply fall asleep. Then there is also no muscle tension to conquer because I don’t need to concentrate on anything.
meditation sigh
yeah, when i try to lay down and clear out my mind i always drift. i can never focus. plus i can never fall asleep when i try too hard. sometimes i catch my thoughts not making any sense, this means im falling asleep but then i snap right back out of it.
anyone have any tips on that?
plus when i close my eyes for a while i sometimes start seeing blue fuzzy blobs, is that hypnogogic stage or what, because it sure doesn’t feel like i’m falling asleep
plus thanx for the meditation/MILD/WILD technique idea, that sounds like a good one to try out, unless my brain decides to be dumb, as usual
When you try too hard then you keep awake your brain too much so that you won’t fall asleep. It may also be that you then put unvoluntary tension to some of your muscles so that your body keeps being awake. Try to focus softly on the sound in your ears. I can hear hear a high pitched hissing sound in my ears (blood stream) and a low buzzing sound (as d3struct told), which is harder to hear. You can hear both sounds more easily when you put earplugs in your ears.
I think those wandering thoughts never really make sense. They just lead you to falling asleep. And the snapping back you can use to renew your focus on the sounds!
You are probably talking of these amorphous clouds, also called “Eigenlicht”? I can see them after about 1 or 2 minutes after closing my eyes and they mark the first waypoint of relaxion for me. You can find nice waypoint descriptions of falling asleep in this text: How to Induce a W.I.L.D.
And don’t be sad: I also lose my focus very often, but when I’m still awake I simply renew my focus without being angry or frustrated.
That’s how it’s supposed to be! It’s completely natural for that to happen at first. I’ve been practicing meditation for somewhere around 2 weeks and that happens a lot. The problem is if you get dismotivated and don’t try The mind gets easier to silence with practice. Whenever your mind wanders just gently bring your focus back, even if it takes you many minutes to realize your mind has focussed in the first place!
meditation is trial and error
ur brain at first will only be quiet for 30 seconds then it will look for something to do
u just have to keep doin it to increase the time of the quietness
time urself , if u do think of nothing for 10 seconds just wandeirn drifitng
next session should be pushin yourself to 12 seconds then 14 then 16
if u can get a stop watch and set it up , u can see ur progress
and gain more confidence that your doing it therefore subconciously
u will get to be able to do it faster or with more of ease
Suggestion - concentrate on a sound which is simple, a constant sound ,
think of that only , depic it out , feel how does it sound
separate the sounds that make up that sound
or focus on a sound of that sound , feeel the sound in your head
The Process that ima take u thru will be from
your brain thinking
1000 ideas to 1 idea but u must focus on it for as long as u can , and a simple thing is a noise not music
do that for a week and ur focus should increase tremendously if u push urself
u will learn the feeling of thinking of just one thought
after that one thought once your well experienced and u can think of anything for a long period of time , youll be ready
I am having issues hearing any kind of constant sound. If I put something that makes a constant sound in my room(a fan or something similar)would that work or would that not be the right kind of noise?
Hi d3struct, i have a question about your technique.
When you say we should meditate, you mean like while laying in our beds trying to fall asleep for a LD?
Cause i’ve started trying your technique just yesterday but what i do is that i actually sit in the lotus position on my bed and try to meditate there for about 15 mins. and then i try to sleep thinking of LDs, basically trying to WILD
Is this the way to do it? or do i have to do it when im trying to fall asleep?
Cheers!
good question
i was wonderin when some one would ask
well id say practice meditation to clear your mind , i do the lotus position too for 15 minutes , and i feel static charges alll around my body ,
u dont have to do it everytime , i just say meditation if you have an unfocused mind
or if you need to increase your concentration for a longer period of time in order to LD
now for the LD process i want you to meditate if this makes any difference on a sound
so your body can fall asleep and your concience can be awake or else your body will never fall asleep.
When i fall asleep you drift and let go and let random images form not caring.
When you focus on a thought and know the process or steps in order to LD
I believe your subconcience will take you there as it does for me.
LD process or steps to think b4 you fall asleep
ull see pitch black (the void)
crazy random things will form with no shape
3.youll feel like your falling
4.an image will create
interact with the image
you should be in the image
the image will become a world
roam around and do crazy things
successful LD , have that in mind
focus on a sound so your body falls asleep and your brain stays awake
the good luck thru the steps
and well see if you reach the end
Hi again, umm i think something weird happened last nightwhile trying this technique, but im really new in this meditation scene soo i just want to know if i am on the right track with this:
Last night while meditating my 15 minutes before sleeping i was focusing on a noise in my room, some constant humming noise, soo after a while the steps you mentioned in the post above kinda started happening while i was meditating.
First i started to go numb and feel very relaxed, then after a while i heard a noise, like a little bell tingling, and then suddenly the random color dots i was seeing started merging together and forming some weird patterns. i kinda tried to focus ont his patterns but they seemed to start to fade away when i did this. So i refocused on the sound instead and they started getting more complicated.
I saw them take the form of a wooden floor, it was very realistic, like if i was watching a wooden floor but with the lights turned off, but i could see the image with freakishly clear detail, the depht of the tiles, the patterns in the floor, everything was there.
I couldnt go any further though because my 15 min alarm went off in that moment.
But anyway, is this ok to happen? and if so, am i supposed to lucid dream while meditating?? im just a little confused here
-HGP!-, you’re doing great! you were very close to entering a dream, that is the point where you find yourself inside what you were watching it was a matter of minutes, if not seconds!
And besides, if you’re meditating to have a LD, it’s entirely good to have one and you can always continue meditating inside the dream if needed
Well i dunno haha, i think i need some time to try the technique some more, i probably will this weekend, since im back in school and stuff and my dorm room isnt exactly the quietest place on earth D:, but this tech seems like it really could be something
I disagree, I don’t find meditation boring, plus it’s certainly not that, that leads to falling asleep. If you get bored, you are irritable and wanting to do something else. That state is not good for sleeping. The problem of falling asleep during meditation is a problem of taking the relaxation too far.
I don’t feel this is a good action. Analysing how long you were able to focus, or how well you are doing, will create a sense of failure that you didn’t stay focused. There is no rush or hurry to improve at meditation, its something you should enjoy. If you enjoy it, you’ll put more time into it, you’ll get better and you’ll reap the returns from it. If that takes 1 week or 1 year, if you enjoy the process, it doesn’t matter.
There is a question I have, it doesn´t really belong to your technique, but maybe this is good place to ask here:
When I try to WILD, should I just look into the “nothingness” what will make me see visualisations or pictures in (and from)my mind, but not really SEEING them (I dunno how to describe it )
or should I focus on the inner side of my eyelids, as if I´d be really looking at them?
So the first is more like focussing no object when your eyes are open, and the second like looking on a certain thing
Maybe this is quite a strange question, but last night this problem showed up and disturbed my conzentration…
I´m still on the very beginning on my way to serios Lucid dreaming but thing are already getting complicated
It’s completely natural for that to happen at first. I’ve been practicing meditation for somewhere around 2 weeks and that happens a lot. The problem is if you get dismotivated and don’t try 
it was a matter of minutes, if not seconds! 
and you can always continue meditating inside the dream if needed 
