How to seperate an FLD from an LD?

But a WILD, by definition is a lucid dream (hence the LD), not a ND. Your definition says that there’s a moment in a real lucid dream where we realize that we are dreaming, while in FLD there’s no such moment. Well, that would make all WILD’s FLD’s because there is no moment of realization, we know that we are lying in our beds, motionless all the time.

Hmm, it means that the correct term of FLD should be that we dont know that we are dreaming? Plus there can be WILD’s that fail while in dream, it is possible, maybe not common though :shrug:

WILD is a lucid dream. Not a non-lucid dream. It can fail, but it is not WILD anymore the minute it fails. It is WILD only until you lose conciousness. So if you have a WILD and you lose conciousness at 5th minute of the LD, and it continues as a ND, you had a 5-minute WILD. But most of the times you don’t lose conciousness fully.

The definitions are all messed up IMO. It comes down to the point where FLD and low lucidity-level LD’s are the same, or FLD should apply only on DILD’s or RCILD, not on WILD’s

I for one disagrees with Ghosties definition :shy: I have been flying in dreams all my life, long before i heard about LD’s. And I don’t consider those dreams to be FLD’s. I am having dreams today where i still do “lucid stuff” but they are not LD’s. But i still don’t think they are FLD’s.

I have had dreams where I do get lucid, but very low lucidity. Almost as if I can’t control myself within the dream. I may do lucid stuff, i may no non-lucid stuff. It’s those kind of dreams where you get lucid but when you wake up it didn’t quite feel like a lucid dream. That’s what i call an FLD. It’s hard for me to describe.

They are still hard to separate though.

I think we could seperate them by time of recall. If you recall it the second you wake up, its a LD. You were concious of what was happening and you basically continued to be concious, its just like you did something IRL two minutes earlier and recall it happening.

If you need some time to recall it (and when you recall it you say in your mind something like “Ah, yes, that was it”), it was probably a FLD.

This is only for me, I don’t know about you guys. Also, there is this feeling.
https://community.ld4all.com/t/this-feeling/34315/2

I was in a building, looked at my hands, realized I was dreaming (Or think I did)
Was excited and nervous at the same time, I was so happy I was nervous lol
I thought of what to do next, and came the rush
“Mom will wake me up for school oh my god oh my god! What do i do What do i do?!”
Then I started to lose lucidity I guess,
Before it totally drained up, i did mess around a bit, levitating, teleporting, messing around with colours of the background
When it did drain up, i woke up, maybe the drainage started coz imagined it draining
Damn you, school! :razz:
But it was an LD right?

Ye, it was.

I don’t think it’s about recall either. FLD’s generally have less recall, but they are not FLD’s because of the recall.

I agree, bringing in recall will only confuse things in my opinion. A Lucid Dream is a dream where you know you were dreaming, whilst you are in the dream. Recall is unrelated, perhaps trends might happen, but I think it will cause confusion if it is tied to the core definition.

I would define A False Lucid Dream, as a dreaming about what might happen if you Lucid Dreamed. Which is what makes it confusing to identify. It’s like a story playing out where you act like it was a lucid dream, doing what you might have imagined, but you aren’t aware its a dream exactly, its just part of the storyline of the dream. To me a dream where you do lucid stuff like flying, is just an ND, all be it an interesting one, unless you are doing that stuff as part of the storyline of it being an LD.

Somebody might have already said this, but the way you can seperate the two is the question, Did you at any point have that, “I’m dreaming!” moment? If you never clicked, but had powers, it was a FLD, if you did have the click, it was a LD.
After my first LD, I started to question myself too, but I had the click, so it was definately a LD.

I didn’t mean recall by itself, but time of recall. When I wake up from a LD, I actually feel the dream fading, but while waking up from a ND I just feel dream memory fading. And onces I wake up from a LD I remember it instantly.

@madison: That definition does not work for WILD method.

I don’t even think the term “False Lucid Dream” is necessary. It just confuses things and perhaps even have some physiological effect that actually gives us FLD’s. As I said I’ve had lucid dream that could be considered “false”, but I’d rather just call them “less lucid” to avoid confusion.

I also have hard times comparing my FLD with LD cuz its almost the same thing, and i dont know how to know if i was lucid or not.

I agree with what you say about flying, and the whole “powers” = LD is not something I can agree with.
Actually, I disagree with the FLD concept as a whole. Either a LD–whatever degree–or a ND.

In general I am not fond of the term “lucid dream” due to the ambiguity one could (and I sure do) connotate with the semantics of “lucid”. I had preferred if it was called “conscious dream”… anyway I can live with it.

It’s very simple to know if you were lucid or not. At any point in the dream were you aware of the fact you were dreaming?

If yes, then that is a lucid dream, if no then its a normal dream. False lucid dream usually means a dream where the the dreamer acts like they are lucid, but doesn’t actually realize he is dreaming. Basically this is when the dreamer exhibits a high level of control and manipulation of the dreamworld without recognizing it for a dream.

This isn’t always the case, especially if you had the LD earlier in the night…

I’m just wondering why it would matter? If you do the stuff you wanted to do in a lucid dream, and enjoy doing it, why would you need to put a label on it?

Well yeah that is right but it can be used as a indication for progress towards real, frequet lucid dreaming; having some true LD’s might motivate you more to put even more effort into it than some FLD’s. And keeping them appart helps you see where you stand in your quest for lucidity.
Also if you wanna brag about your LD count you’d better have the right number :content:

Yeah, i guess you’re right :smile: I usually just count the good ones haha.

My take is that if you “exibit control in the drea without recognizing it for a dream,” then you are indeed not in control of your dream, you may merely think you are (/were–when you wake up).