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this is general advice about fear, not specifically your fear:
when faced with a fear, the first thing to ask oneself is "What is the WORST that can happen?" i would say the worst is you'll be conscious for an unpleasant experience you're normally unconscious for.
The second thing to do, once you've answered that question to your own satisfaction (my answer may not be satisfactory - find a satisfactory answer) is to shift your focus away from your fear. Usually fear comes with a little excitement, or curiosity (emotions rarely are ever "pure" - there's a dominant emotion and then underlying emotions) - find what other emotions you feel about the event that are positive emotions, and focus on those.
the third step is once you've found the positive emotions that correlate to the fear you're trying to overcome, face your fear.
good luck dennis.
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| Posted: Wed 14 Mar, 2012 |
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I think I overcame my fear because I am looking forward to trying it again tonight  ... could someone tell me more about the feeling in the dream, does it feel like real life? I am really really curious about this
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That depends on just how lucid and aware you are during your dreams.
A better way to word this is ... how vivid are your normal dreams? Are they kinda fuzzy around the edges? Distinct, but definitely have an unreal feeling? (I fall somewhere between the last two) Very real seeming, but there's something subtle off? So real when you wake up you have to do a reality check?
Lucid dreaming will help you make your dreams seem more real, but when you begin, it'll be a dream that you know you're dreaming in. You may not have control over the dream either (just awareness that you're dreaming).
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| Posted: Wed 14 Mar, 2012 |
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| thebotanyofsouls wrote: |
That depends on just how lucid and aware you are during your dreams.
A better way to word this is ... how vivid are your normal dreams? Are they kinda fuzzy around the edges? Distinct, but definitely have an unreal feeling? (I fall somewhere between the last two) Very real seeming, but there's something subtle off? So real when you wake up you have to do a reality check?
Lucid dreaming will help you make your dreams seem more real, but when you begin, it'll be a dream that you know you're dreaming in. You may not have control over the dream either (just awareness that you're dreaming). |
dont know jet how my normal dreams are because I cant remember them
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| dennis97795 wrote: |
awesome... now I am really gonna try it  hope I will succeed after practice... I want to fly in a dream lol and be an owl  |
just to let you know, not ALL LD's are that real. Just in case you get lucid and think it sucks there are many levels of vividness. But it is definitelly worth persevering for one of the good ones 
EDIT: actually, IMO it's worth persevering even for the low lucid crappy vividness ones  , just to make that clear...
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| Posted: Wed 14 Mar, 2012 |
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In all honesty I don't see why even SOME people are afraid of the WILD technique. I mean, I can see people who have a fear of being helpless (speaking of which, is there a scientific definition for this? I tried looking up the word, but couldn't find it anywhere, I just keep getting a bunch of links surrounding agoraphobia, and that's nowhere near this fear) being afraid of sleep paralysis, but come on now.
Sleep paralysis is a natural thing that happens every night of your life, if your afraid of it, you might as well be afraid of dreaming itself. Or being awake for that matter. Or drinking water, or anything else that you do every single day.
And if you find yourself even remotely afraid of something, you need to question it in its' entirety before you can even be sure it's worth being afraid of! In this case, it's a natural thing that happens every night you fall asleep. Nothing to be afraid of there. And for that matter, drinking water. It's a natural thing, but even aquaphobics drink water (at least...I've never HEARD of an aquaphobic not drinking water because they were afraid of it). So why even have this form of somniphobia? (even though you say you want to try it)
See what I mean?
As for the feeling behind lucid dreaming, I used to be able to tell I was dreaming because of the feeling in the air, almost as if the air world I was in during the current moment had a heavier aura surrounding it. So, I did a reality check, and sure enough, I was dreaming.
It's a bit hard to explain. It's almost as if the surrounding environment reflects the feeling your having in the present moment. In a normal surrounding, everything is incredibly calming. The air around me almost feels surreal, and no matter what I do I don't exactly feel tired, it's incredible (that bit's normal in a dream, but the feeling of the dream pairs with it so nicely). However, in dire situations, the air around me reflects this. The mood of the surrounding feels almost hectic, and screams to be released from its' current state, to end whatever it is going on that's causing the dream to be that insane.
At least, that's what it feels like in my dreams. Which is why even in uneventful lucid dreams, I'm glad I had them. It accompanies the events that go on within so well 
Whenever you do have a lucid dream, pay attention to the mood of the dream itself. Not as in a summary of the dream, the actual mood of the air within it. Ask yourself, "does the world I'm in make me seem more calm than the environment I face IRL?"
And better yet, does anyone else see this in their dreams as well? I've never heard anyone actually describing the environment's mood in their dreams before. Only ever the events that went on within 
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| Posted: Thu 15 Mar, 2012 |
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I tried it again last night... I got into sleep paralysis and I started seeing weird colors on my eyelids, is that the hallucinations? I think one minute after that I heard a noise that sounded like something was breathing in my ear, something big. and I got out of the SP because it startled my  . I am going to try it every night now
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| Posted: Thu 15 Mar, 2012 |
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Seeing strange colors and flashing lights is normal, that's hypnagogic imagery. As you progress in the WILD, these will begin to take better shape and look more like actual objects that you can focus on. It's also important to note that your eyes should be completely still as you shouldn't be seeing "with your eyes", per se. The noise you were hearing, unless there was a monster that crawled out from under your bed, was probably the regular noise that accompanies all WILD attempts at their later stages. This noise is described as most as something that relates to a chainsaw, or something else rattling at various noise levels. I don't know why yours sounded like breathing, but like I said, there's not much else it could really be.
I would say during your next attempts, once you get to this point, simply try and relax as much as you possibly can. Remember: The key here is to fall asleep very gradually. Falling asleep means your mind can't be completely active.
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| Posted: Fri 16 Mar, 2012 |
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Wait... My eyes must be perfectly still? Now i kniw why it didnt feel like described  will try it with still eyes tonight XD now i wonder what the thing is i heared
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| Posted: Fri 16 Mar, 2012 |
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Don't concentrated so much on keeping your eyes still, but to relax them, along with the rest of your body.
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| Posted: Fri 16 Mar, 2012 |
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Don't concentrated so much on keeping your eyes still, but to relax them, along with the rest of your body. |
That's a good point I forgot to mention, your supposed to allow your complete body to relax to the point of being completely still. This means your eyes as well. To help them relax, before attempting WILD, roll your eyes in large circles, large enough circles that you should feel your eyes almost sort of "ache" when you spin them. After this, simply release your eyes, allow them to relax, and focus on your mind. They should be relatively still at this point, however they will be more relaxed later on during the process.
Then, you can begin the regression process, and hopefully attempt a successful WILD.
*Note: You wont always hear those noises. Sometimes, you can feel vibrations along your spine or another part of your body, sometimes you'll hear these noises, or sometimes, you wont hear or feel anything.
However, these are warning signs. They tell you that you are about to enter an OBE, and that both your "astal" body and physical body are trying to seperate. It's important to relax, and continue with your regression during this phase, or else you might slip from this phase back into the physical world. Simply wait, and if you relaxed enough, they should stop. Once this happens, do a reality check without moving, and see if your in the phase (the dream-realm) or not. It it works, then congratulations, you successfully entered an OBE
Once you get good enough at WILD'ing and other OBE techniques, you will begin to see these symptoms less and less, and eventually, your body will be so used to them, they wont ever arise again. By that time though, you'll know what to do when, and probably wont need them in the first place.
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| Posted: Fri 16 Mar, 2012 |
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what exactly is an OBE? is it like a lucid dream or is it diffrent?
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| Posted: Fri 16 Mar, 2012 |
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You leave your physical body and fly around: OBE in a nutshell. I personally consider it a psychic ability.
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| Posted: Fri 16 Mar, 2012 |
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You leave your physical body and fly around: OBE in a nutshell. I personally consider it a psychic ability. |
so... i wont get lucid dreams by doing wild?
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| Posted: Fri 16 Mar, 2012 |
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| dennis97795 wrote: |
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You leave your physical body and fly around: OBE in a nutshell. I personally consider it a psychic ability. |
so... i wont get lucid dreams by doing wild? |
you can but as i read the line between LD's and OOBE is very tiny so u got a change of getting an OOBE. i think repating i'm going to get a lucid dream will make the change bigger to get a LD instead of a OOBE but im a newbie, but this just sound logical to me
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