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| Problems with WILD |
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I started to try WILD a month ago, I practised when I had the time, when I didn't feel really tired. Last week I tried WBTB + WILD every night but all I was just lying on my bed for 1 hour. Sometimes I had itch on my face, I saw flash, sometimes my legs or my arms suddenly move... But I never saw geometrical shapes, objects and reach SP.
I even tried binaural beats but nothing happend during 1h, and I didn't have any LD.
I read a lot of "How to WILD" but nothing change.
Just one thing : I don't really know how to relax, and some sites say that you can relax before WILD. Is it very important ? How to relax before a WILD ?
Any other advices ?
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| Posted: Tue 24 Apr, 2012 |
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I've noticed that just simple stretching can do the thing. Relaxing your muscles and your jaw.
Laying in bed and waiting for something to happened is not the best way to achieve results. WILD is induction technique, so simply you need to induce something. Long story short, WILD is process of falling asleep consciously. At some point you need to fall asleep and let yourself dream.
Transition from waking state into dream state can vary from person to person and even at the same person depending on the day and bedtime preparation. Sometimes you will experience HH, sometimes you won't. You may experience them on regular basis or not experience them on regular basis.
If guide says that you will experience them it doesn't mean that you will. You need to go through the process with open mind. You need to expect what guide says but also something completely new. Mind that guide was written by somebody else and was written for general population, not for you particularly.
My advice is to simply stretch before bed time and maybe meditation, nothing long, only 5 or 10 minutes. Also experiment with WBTB time. Maybe you're staying to long awake and that's why you can't fall asleep. If that's not the problem, then maybe it's your sleeping position. Guides usually like to say that you need to be on your back to succeed in WILD. That is not true. You can WILD in any position you like as long as it's comfortable to you and as long as you can fall asleep in that position.
I, personally can't fall asleep on back. So I use SDR technique so I end up falling asleep on my side. Only nice and interesting thing for me lying on back is the feeling and sensation of your body falling asleep. You can feel each part shutting down. It's amazing but still I can not fall asleep, so finally I make transition on my side and then things are going just great.
Those are things that are working for me, it doesn't mean that they will work for you. It took me 2 years to finally get WILD going, I was experimenting with WILD as some second or third technique. I gave it time and now it's working... I suggest you do the same...
Good luck! Cheers! 
Current LD goal(s): #Find/Meet Dream Guide#
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| Posted: Tue 24 Apr, 2012 |
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i don't got this big post and experience, but my WILD often failed because i was thinking "stay awake and let your body fall asleep" i actually just stayed awake for a long time even if i was tired before and nothing happened. May this be the reason?
Current LD goal(s): have as many ld as possible
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| Posted: Tue 24 Apr, 2012 |
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You don't have to push things. Let your body fall asleep. Look, you have every night to try this. There is no only one way to achieve lucidity. Experiment, combine, twist, bend, avoid...
That you can do. Don't follow guides as they are absolutely true...
How should a process of falling asleep look, if you ask: 
From the point you lay down in your bed your consciousness should be falling. When you got to the point where you will make transition you should be able to fall asleep instantly. But you are still having some consciousness and you are making the transition consciously.
If you are repeating some mantra then you will stay awake mentally, which is good but again not to much. Even mental wakefulness will prevent you from falling asleep. As having a loud mind before sleep, you just can't fall asleep. The same is with this. If you feel like you need to do something to stay awake mentally then you can repeat mantra now and then or count but if not you should quiet your mind and pay attention on possible HH or body sensations...
Even those can keep you awake just enough....
Current LD goal(s): #Find/Meet Dream Guide#
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| Posted: Tue 24 Apr, 2012 |
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Thanks a lot for your replies ! 
When I lay down on my bed, I repeat some mantras (I use the MILD as well, as my first technique) like "I will realise I am dreaming", I think about LD, I pay attention to my breathing, my legs, my arms... and when I think about something else, I immediately think "I need to focus". I believe sometimes I fall asleep during 2min or so.
The most frustrating thing when I try to WILD is when I really need to swallow, I think very hard about something else but I do it automatically 
When I do WBTB, I can't turn on my computer so I just stay sitting on my chair thinking a lot or writting in my DJ. I can't stay more than 15 minutes.
I saw the SDR technique weeks ago, I tried once, but I don't why I didn't use it more. I'll try tonight.
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| Posted: Wed 25 Apr, 2012 |
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Like I said WILD is a process and you allowed to go back and forth in process if that is how things work for you.
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The most frustrating thing when I try to WILD is when I really need to swallow, I think very hard about something else but I do it automatically |
If you do it automatically it's even better. If you need to swallow, just swallow. If you think that you will break the process you won't, you will just maybe but just maybe slow it.
You could think the same about SDR technique. You are in your bed lying on your back and you feel numbness and then you think if you now roll over that you will break everything. You can look at things like that but if you look on what you will get with rolling over, like falling asleep and dream[of course I'm talking if you use SDR if you can't fall asleep on your back] that then this just necessary.
In my experience even when you roll over your body is so relaxed that it will fall back into numbness after rolling in matter of seconds, almost like you didn't make transition. So actually it's not lose but it's a win! FTW
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| Posted: Wed 25 Apr, 2012 |
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Okaaaay !  I thought that when I swallow it will slow a lot the process.
I tried the SDR technique after a WBTB, but I wondered how much time I should stay in one position. I stayed about 5min on the first, maybe 10min on the second and the rest on the last position... It didn't work at all
So you say I need to change my position when I feel numbness ? Or only for the second position ?
Last edited by Kapoww on Wed 25 Apr, 2012; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Wed 25 Apr, 2012 |
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I hope I didn't create some kind of pressure, it was not my attention so if I did I apologize!
Well SDR is very much as WBTB. It won't work unless you adjust it to your needs. Sometimes I spend like 20 minutes on my back, because after all day it just feels good lying on my back. And when I'm "tired" of lying on my back I just roll over and went to sleep. That is at bed time, when doing WBTB I do pretty much the same but sometimes it's easier just to roll over and keep awareness in that position. Sometimes it's easier to lay on back because I feel like I could easily drift of and lose awareness.
So it a lot about the feeling just like the dreams. How you feel that's how your performance should look like. It's that easy. Doesn't have to be by the book. There are no rules just guidelines!
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| Posted: Wed 25 Apr, 2012 |
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What kind of pressure ? I'm not sure I understand 
Ok, I will retry SDR and change position when I feel it.
I also wanted to know something : Did anyone here have ever try to WILD with some kind of binaural beats ?
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| Posted: Thu 26 Apr, 2012 |
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| Kapoww wrote: |
What kind of pressure ? I'm not sure I understand
Ok, I will retry SDR and change position when I feel it.
I also wanted to know something : Did anyone here have ever try to WILD with some kind of binaural beats ? |
I meant if I created some kind of pressure on you... 
I was listening binaural beats at the beginning of my journey but now I don't listen any more and that was only once or twice for some 10 - 15 minutes so no real results from that or experience. I believe that we don't need any of this, we can do it on our own.
The power is within us...
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| Posted: Fri 27 Apr, 2012 |
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I use binaural beats on occasion. They may say they induce lucid dreams but I will tell you right now that's not true. Or at least not for me. When I use it I notice it helps me immensely in relaxing, which is a important step towards inducing lucid dreams. And it helps keep my mind awake by having my brain be like, ok wtf is that noise.. But you can't stress it. If it bothers you.. Don't use it.. If it doesn't bother you but instead just Sortve draws your attention. It might be a good idea to try it out but its no necessity. Lucid dreaming is indeed a natural thing after all.
The key goal when going to sleep for me is to get as relaxed as possible. When your body is not relaxed. Its wide awake and rolling! My eyes are wild behind my eye lids. My stomach twists and turns occasionally. My swallowing is a pain (that's what she said). The list goes on, and you can't fall asleep with all this chaos going on in your body regulation!. But I realized the faster I relax. The faster those issues (swallowing, eyes rolling, etc.) wither away almost as if relaxation is auto-pilot for your body. and then I can get on task with trying to induce a dream. So find a way to get your body completely relaxed. Dont do exactly what others people do. I can't tell you how correct the admins here are when they tell you everyone is diff. And you gotta mix things up. While laying there don't let's ur mind ramble. Try to think about nothing. Set all your problems aside that's a big must. There's no sense in dwelling on them before bed, there is nothing you can do for anyone at that moment except to get a good nights sleep. Like you, I can't sleep on my back. But I do start on my back because like db_fts said, I too can feel each section of my body shut down when laying on my back, which is fun. But if you can't don't stress it your body has a diff. Preference is all. Just make sure your not stressing anything. Let your jaw relax, let your eyes relax, don't make them relax, let them. They want to. You have to allow it. The same goes for the rest of your muscles.
Current LD goal(s): To Have LD's more often.
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| Posted: Sat 28 Apr, 2012 |
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dB_FTS => You didn't create any pressure on me 
I just really want to have a long and vivid LD.
Thanks you Chronic for your reply !
After some research and tests, I understood that binaural beats just help for relaxation, but it doesn't annoy me and it helps me a lot in relaxing. The problem is that it relax me more than I want to, so I fall asleep
What frequencies do you usually use ?
About WILD, I try not to let my mind ramble but sometimes I just can't ><
When I have a problem IRL, I just can't stop thinking about it and as a consequence, my dream recall decrease and I can't use MILD so I can't realise I am dreaming so I can't LD
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| Posted: Sat 28 Apr, 2012 |
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Mine doesn't have diff. Frequencies. Just volume bars. I have them both about a little less than half way. I don't like a lot of noise. It does put me to sleep too, it's more useful in wbtb I found out. But it helps me remember my dreams no matter.
Here's something that I read about easing your mind before bed. When going to bed you have to admit to yourself that the best thing you can do for anyone right now is get a good nights sleep. It's too late to be solving any problems and you'll Pick back up on them in the morning. If that doesn't work. Write them down. Whatever works best to get them off your mind. It's better to write about it and vent, than to dwell on it when you could be sleeping. If your having trouble sleeping then focus your mind on something. Something small and simple. Not necessarily a mantra although that would be a good idea. But something dream related. And easy to think about. Calming. Your mind will wonder if your too awake, and if your starting to drift. So take note of that.
Current LD goal(s): To Have LD's more often.
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