Has anyone ever succeeded at WILD in the evening?

The first wild I ever had happened two minutes after turning off the tv for bed. I fell asleep at ten after king of the hill and then woke up from the wild at ten nine.

Of course WILD does work in the evening - you only have to create the potential situation. I, for example, if I go for a WILD I only try it at night, before going to bed. This is because, if I wake up in the middle of the night by alarm, my sleeping cycle gets messed up so badly that I won’t be able to walk on my feet the next day.

There is one important fact you need to take in account: Exhaustion. (Being tired after a long day makes falling asleep a lot easier: it relaxes your muscles and pushes you into your dreamland quicker, as your mind wants to ‘shut down’ asap for recovery.)

Once you have that it’s all a matter of timing: Set a certain interval for you to become conscious of your surroundings and yourself. In the meantime let yourself drift away in thoughts.

The answer to your topic question is yes. However, I wouldn’t recommend WILD, as it is hard. Go for a DEILD. Remember: everything has to be natural. Don’t force anything and you will succeed.

Cheers

According to this, you have to sleep 2 hours to get to REM… WILD seems to be way too hard.

Correction - WILD in the evening is hard. WILD after 4.5-6 hours is much easier and more fun.

I don’t think you have to be in rem to dream. It only seems harder in the evening because it is harder for your mind and body to go into sleep. I don’t think it’s entirely the wait for rem that makes it hard, but instead a lot to do with taking a long time to fall asleep. When I wild in the evening it’s mega easy, but all of my wilds seem to come by accident so who knows haha just my thoughts :smile:

We certainly have non-REM dreams. Apparently, they also happen mostly in the morning.

I’ve never had a WILD at night (meaning, I’ve never had a WILD where I lie down for bed at night and pass straight from the waking state into a lucid dream). I have, however, fallen asleep and found myself suddenly conscious in SP with HI, or in an OBE, long before my brain would be in REM sleep (that is, 30-45 minutes after falling asleep).

Ah, ive gone to sleep at night and the next thing i know I’m in the “black abyss of nothing” with no body, nothing. Haha that’s usually how sp is for me when I “awaken” in it after falling asleep.

There are some cases when we dream during NREM, however, they are rare. Also they are more like hallucinations, rather than vivid REM-like dreams. There is some difference. Also when dreaming during NREM, there is a chance of sleep-walking and sleep-talking, since SP is not active during NREM.

What are the chances or conditions needed for someone to go directly into rem sleep in the evening?

According to the sleep cycle tables, you cannot go to REM sleep directly.

I’m not sure, but the only possible way, I assume, would be to use some supplements which mess with your sleep cycle. Although, if there are such supplements, use them at your own risk as it could possibly result in insomnia.

Well I have had vivid lucid dreams after being asleep for less than ten minutes the enitre night (more than one occasion). So either I go directly into rem or you can have vivid lucid dreams that are more than two dimensional hallucinations during nrem, so it seems. I also seem to frequently have vivid normal dreams as soon as I fall asleep. If I wake up after 5 to ten minutes after going to bed I can usually recall a vivid dream, so it doesn’t seem rare either.

Well, maybe you are an exception and your sleep cycles work differently. I have read tons of scientifical articles on sleep cycles, yet I have not heard of this phenomenon. I would advice you to take a EEG test while sleeping to see what’s causing this instant REM phase. It could be interesting to scientists which research sleep patterns.

Well I’m not an exception haha didnt Tggtt say it happened to him like three times, so there obviously are other instances. It might not even be happening under rem sleep.

You can go directly into REM sleep when you take a nap, so I don’t see how it would be impossible in the evening.

It’s because naps work differently than a long evening sleep. What’s more, I’m not sure if you always directly enter REM sleep during naps. Some NREM cycles might also happen before that.

To me a wild during a nap and during the evening feels the same. You just gotta be very sleepy for it to work good before nap/going to bed :wink:

This was said over in dreamviews:
"Yes you can.

But its a lot harder to do

My biggest problem with WILD is that I go from waking to sleeping and sleeping to waking far too easily, so consequently I always fall asleep and lose consciousness whenver I try to WILD during the night. The few WILDS I’ve had (2 or 3, that’s about it), where all upon going to sleep.

Many people believe that we dream only during REM sleep, based on an old scientific model from several decades ago. These days neuropsychology and neurobiology has come to the conclusion that REM and dreaming are actually not directly related. We dream from the moment we sleep to the moment we wake. So yes, it is possible to WILD right at the moment of going to sleep.

If I remember correctly, Tibetan Dream Yoga bases itself on the premise that you never even lose consciousness. These guys basically go to sleep, WILD, and remain lucid all night long.

That said, it’s a lot harder to try and WILD directly when going to sleep. So unless you have no choice or you’re pretty much an expert, I would recommend you try the WBTB method that most people suggest.

-Redrivertears-"

@Mr118
Doing what the Tibetian Yogists do needs an insane amount of practice. Lifelong dedication.

~

NREM dreams, which exist are more like thoughts than actual 3D environments. Since I practice WILD during the beginning of the night, at WBTB if I wake up, and at afternoon naps I’ve entered some NREM dreams.

In NREM dreams, it feels as if you’re not at 100%. You don’t get the same feeling as REM dreams, you have no feeling of momentum, and you don’t feel like you “exist”. Basically it’s just really vivid thoughts.

Example of NREM dream: I am in a kitchen, and I’m moving out of the kitchen.
You don’t see the kitchen with a point of prespective, but you’re thinking about the kitchen. It’s sort of like deep daydreaming. It’s easy to discern between this and reality, but if you can summon up the energy to do something in it, or achieve higher lucidty you’ll most likely wake up (at least in my case)

Example of REM dream: You’re standing in the kitchen. You look around and you see a door. You move torwards the door.
It’s like being there. It feels so real, it’s very easily mistaken for reality. When you do become lucid, it really becomes an awesome experience.

I’ve went into NREM dreams after WBTB, at the beginning of the night, and during afternoon naps. I have also went into REM dreams from the beginning of the night, from WBTB and from naps.

mostly, I enter REM dreams from WBTB and naps. More easily from WBTB since I fall asleep more easily. If I do become lucid, this become extremely vivid. I have entered a lucid REM dream from the beginning of the night, through sleep paralysis, and I also have entered regular REM dreams normally, at the beginning of the night. This confused me a lot, since REM isn’t supposed to happen at the beginning of the night. (The normal dream turned into a DILD, where I woke up into sleep paralysis 5 minutes after falling asleep)

So imo, NREM dreams exist, but they aren’t very useful for lucid dreams unless you’re quite experienced and can salvage them into something more. I’ve used lucid NREM sleep to create a dream scene, and make things happen in them but I never walked around in it and felt the world.

I understand what your saying. Again though I have had nrem lucid dreams that we’re the same as a rem lucid dream after a wbtb. I have experienced plenty of the “no perspective” hallucination type day dreams so I know where your coming from, but that is not what I am talking about. You can dream vividly in nrem. Though I have had the few lucid dreams where I have entered a vivid lucid dream from wild after 5 to ten minutes, done with LITTLE effort. Not trying to be mean, just saying what happened haha.

All im tryin to say that a wild before bed for someone who falls asleep quickly might be fuirtful occasionally. Though like you have said its hard, especially to do it frequently

Exactly, it’s different for everyone in the end.

Indeedy. Though most people will find it way harder to wild if they don’t do a wbtb.