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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

ghanemhaithem wrote:

i read it,and now,it's time for some questions
1-you said,The more you cycle, the more attention you are paying to the internal sensations, and less attention are being paied to the external/physical ones.
but,as we are cycling,aren't we paying attention to our external/physical sensations every time we start a new cycle,you did said that we have to at the blackness behind your closed eyelids....etc,we keep doing this in each cycle,right?
or we are supposed to do something else after internal sensations begin to appear?
2-how many cycles i'am supposed to do before going to sleep,and if i don't notice any internal sensations,should i just keep on going till i do?
3-you said that i should just use it as a "tool",does that mean that i can have success with it even if i don't know the Purpose of it.
thanx in advance ^^ ,and sorry if i caused any Disturbance.

Questions are welcome, and no, it's no Disturbance at all, LOL.

1. You do each cycles in exact same manner, regardless of the sensation. Be it with or without the sensations, you just keep cycling through them. As you do more cycles, you get deeper into the trance (mind drifting back and forth), and you will notice that the external sensations become faded. For example, the humming from that ever-present AC unit no longer bothers you much, if not having completely faded away. Meanwhile, you may begin to notice the noises "in your head". And as you pay more attention to them they may become more pronounced. This has the effect of shifting your focus away from the physicals. The beauty of SSILD is that you do not have to do this deliberately. The trance works like a gentle wave that carries you away from the physicals. Thus, you need to ease up, and allow the trance to do the trick for you. Even if you absolutely do not feel anything you should continue to cycle, knowing confidently you are slowing detaching yourself from the grip of the physical world.

2. Typically 4 cycles are all you need. Some people fall asleep in the first couple of cycles and that is no good -- you are not done with your "mental massage" yet! Some people find it harder to fall asleep if they do more cycles, but that actually means they are doing the exercise incorrectly -- instead of riding with the wave, they are fighting against it! (People with traditional meditation/WILD backgrounds tend to do this.) Once you master the cycles, you can do as many rounds as you wish. You can massage your mind to such point that soon after your stop doing the cycles, you can shift your focus point in an instant and enter the dream world while being fully conscious. This, of course, is for more advanced users, so I won't recommend it to everyone.

3. Depend on what your beliefs are, the Focus Point model may contradict with what you believe to be the "truth". In order to not get into debate of whether or not this model TRULY describes the nature of our consciousness, I decided to call it a "tool". As long as it makes things easier then why not use it, LOL. For all matters of intent we now know that SSILD works, and this model seems not only explains it but compliments it quite nicely.

I hope this helps smile


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Hey, I have a question if you don't mind.

So, I continued doing the SSILD technique, and had a few more lucid dreams and FA. However, I am now pretty convinced that when I do SSILD I either get SP or get SP in a FA. Its pretty confusing lol. So far, I have had successful lucid dreams with this technique when I have SP with a FA, but there are sometimes when I have SP with FA but can't exit my body. The normal techniques I would use to exit SP into a lucid dream/OBE don't work all the time when in a FA and I was wondering if you have any suggestions as to have a lucid dream with the FA and SP seeing as how its pretty complex. Thanks in advance!



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PostPosted: Mon 13 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Great post, cosmic.iron! The Focus Point model does make a lot of sense to me, so I'm going with it. I think this explanation might really help me SSILD smile

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Lucere2157 wrote:
Hey, I have a question if you don't mind.

So, I continued doing the SSILD technique, and had a few more lucid dreams and FA. However, I am now pretty convinced that when I do SSILD I either get SP or get SP in a FA. Its pretty confusing lol. So far, I have had successful lucid dreams with this technique when I have SP with a FA, but there are sometimes when I have SP with FA but can't exit my body. The normal techniques I would use to exit SP into a lucid dream/OBE don't work all the time when in a FA and I was wondering if you have any suggestions as to have a lucid dream with the FA and SP seeing as how its pretty complex. Thanks in advance!

A false awakening is just like a lucid dream, so an SP within an FA is essentially an illusion which is no different than being unable to fly or walking through walls. The method I find most effective in this situation is to focus on another place or object. For example, you could focus on the doorway of your room. A few seconds later you will find yourself standing in front of it!


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

I posted this on the other forum but I don't think you saw:

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This morning I attempted SSILD again. I woke up at 7:00AM after 6 hours of sleep. I stayed awake for about 20 minutes, walking around the house and such. I went back to bed already feeling tired, but not too tired as I couldn't get my repetitions completed. During the repetitions I felt eventually felt an odd feeling, but it wasn't very strong. I am not sure exactly how many I did, but I think I did at least 4. By then I was so tired that I stopped and rolled over and went to sleep. I woke up at 12:12PM remembering 3 dreams, none of them lucid.

The only slight trouble I have had performing the technique is that my eyes are very twitchy when I try to stare at my eyelids. My eyes refuse to cooperate and move around so I can't stare. I think this might be related to the fact that I have abnormally shaky hands, arms and such. Anyway, it is difficult to look at my eyelids when my eyes are zooming around in random directions, refusing to stay still. I am no sure how to make them stop, because thinking about it only seems to make it worse.



I was thinking maybe it is possible that I am having lucids/FA's and not remembering them, so I was thinking about setting an alarm maybe an hour after doing SSILD, what are your thoughts on that?

Thank you very much for your help and I know soon I will succeed with this technique.


Can you help me out a bit more? Thanks.



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PostPosted: Mon 13 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

DaveTheJoker wrote:
I posted this on the other forum but I don't think you saw:

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This morning I attempted SSILD again. I woke up at 7:00AM after 6 hours of sleep. I stayed awake for about 20 minutes, walking around the house and such. I went back to bed already feeling tired, but not too tired as I couldn't get my repetitions completed. During the repetitions I felt eventually felt an odd feeling, but it wasn't very strong. I am not sure exactly how many I did, but I think I did at least 4. By then I was so tired that I stopped and rolled over and went to sleep. I woke up at 12:12PM remembering 3 dreams, none of them lucid.

The only slight trouble I have had performing the technique is that my eyes are very twitchy when I try to stare at my eyelids. My eyes refuse to cooperate and move around so I can't stare. I think this might be related to the fact that I have abnormally shaky hands, arms and such. Anyway, it is difficult to look at my eyelids when my eyes are zooming around in random directions, refusing to stay still. I am no sure how to make them stop, because thinking about it only seems to make it worse.



I was thinking maybe it is possible that I am having lucids/FA's and not remembering them, so I was thinking about setting an alarm maybe an hour after doing SSILD, what are your thoughts on that?

Thank you very much for your help and I know soon I will succeed with this technique.


Can you help me out a bit more? Thanks.

Okay... the eye problem. It indicates several things:

1. You are using your physical eyes. Do your eyes twitch like that when you are sleeping normally? I guess not, right? Then you should do exactly the same. Just relax, don't focus your physical eyes. You are seeing things through your mind's eye. If you feel you are still stretching your eye muscles then just quickly move on to the other sensations.

2. You are under the wrong impression that you should remain motionless, as with all other techniques. With SSILD you should do whatever that makes you feel comfortable. If that means roll over a couple of times, scratch that itch, swallow, or whatever, just do it!

3. You are trying too hard and expecting to see immediate results. If you don't feel like you are seeing anything, that's PERFECTLY normal! You are not supposed to see things until your focus shifts away from the physicals (see my length posts above). You should not have any expectations throughout the exercise. tounge2

Becoming lucid in later dreams can happen frequently, but they are not guaranteed. You should pay close attention to the awakenings after doing the exercise. It is very possible that they are FAs. Even if they are not, you should immediately do a few more cycles which might give you a WILD or DILD in the dreams that follow.


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

mattias wrote:
Great post, cosmic.iron! The Focus Point model does make a lot of sense to me, so I'm going with it. I think this explanation might really help me SSILD smile

Thank you mattias! I'm glad you liked it smile


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

I have done this exercise 5-6 times in total and have had a lucid dream on the same night twice. It may well be a technique that works for me after all.

Although I often have found myself forgetting where I am in the exercise and drifting away a bit, I have not noticed any peculiar imagery, sounds or sensations yet. In addition, I haven't fallen asleep instantly after doing the cycles yet; I may well try doing one or two more than usual (I tend to stop at 4) to see if that puts me in any more of a trance.

Thanks for the post on the 'Focus Point' model. I suppose when the science isn't there, it's necessary to make somewhat bold theories like this.



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PostPosted: Mon 13 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Nivv wrote:
I have done this exercise 5-6 times in total and have had a lucid dream on the same night twice. It may well be a technique that works for me after all.

Although I often have found myself forgetting where I am in the exercise and drifting away a bit, I have not noticed any peculiar imagery, sounds or sensations yet. In addition, I haven't fallen asleep instantly after doing the cycles yet; I may well try doing one or two more than usual (I tend to stop at 4) to see if that puts me in any more of a trance.

Thanks for the post on the 'Focus Point' model. I suppose when the science isn't there, it's necessary to make somewhat bold theories like this.

Some people somehow tend to experience strange sensations more frequently than others. I'm still investigating this but so far no conclusion yet smile I will be interested in the result of your experiment as well.


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

First try and i got an LD ! ^^ it was unstable and short, but still longer and more stable than my other LDs :D

and, this is the first tech that actually worked for me, other LDs i had was my own experiments that didn't work well smile


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Dri0m wrote:
First try and i got an LD ! ^^ it was unstable and short, but still longer and more stable than my other LDs :D

and, this is the first tech that actually worked for me, other LDs i had was my own experiments that didn't work well smile

Great! Make sure you also read my previous post on the theory, it might help.


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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Thank you for sharing this technique.

I'm very new to LD (about a month ago). All this time mostly I only use WBTB since it's the easiest technique for me. I ever use WILD tree times and I dropped the tech since it make me awake more and then it kill my DR due to lost of time to sleep.

My DR is still at horrible state so MILD and other tech related are out of question.

Yesterday I stumble on your thread in DreamView about SSILD and try it on my WBTB session. I only through the cycle 2 times and then let my mind wander (since yesterday I didn't make myself understand more on what being said in the tutorial and what I understand the most is not to force it, just lazily observe). Because I thought I need to focus to only one sense and not three of them but I did those three sense anyway.

The result is I recall 2 dreams. One was almost lucid because I thought I want to plant some blue weed that I saw in the dream so the weed would also grew in my dream. Thinking about dream in my dream is rare for me.

I would stick to this technique and see the further result.



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PostPosted: Wed 15 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Just to let you know, I did the technique this morning. I didn't really get to sleep afterwards, but I went into SP not once, not twice, not three times, but four times in total. On the last two of these I was able to step into a lucid dream for a few seconds. On all occasions, however, I was woken up by external noise.

I have had these bouts of SP before in the morning, and am interested in finding out what it is that lets me be aware of it so easily. I just doze off without paying much attention to anything and then feel a bit of tingling which, once noticed, develops into full SP. SSILD could well help with getting into this 'mode'! I'll keep at it.



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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

Nivv wrote:
Just to let you know, I did the technique this morning. I didn't really get to sleep afterwards, but I went into SP not once, not twice, not three times, but four times in total. On the last two of these I was able to step into a lucid dream for a few seconds. On all occasions, however, I was woken up by external noise.

I have had these bouts of SP before in the morning, and am interested in finding out what it is that lets me be aware of it so easily. I just doze off without paying much attention to anything and then feel a bit of tingling which, once noticed, develops into full SP. SSILD could well help with getting into this 'mode'! I'll keep at it.

By repeatedly focusing on the various senses, SSILD seems to bring heightened awareness within dreams, as well as making you more sensitive to the sensations felt while falling asleep. On previous page there are couple of posts in which I was discussing the theory behind SSILD. Maybe you will find that interesting.


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug, 2012  Reply with quote

I'm in the middle of noisy surrounding. It's not really noisy but moderate noise which I could ignore.

Could this technique work if I can ignore outside noise or is the silent is a must for SSILD?



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