So it’s been about 4 months since I’ve been using the technique. I don’t always use it, usually I start it if I am trying to WILD and I’m not sleepy enough. This, for some reason, gets me lots of DILDs, and many times those DILDs get me into sleep paralysis. The dream would have been going for 5 minutes or so before I snap. If this doesn’t happen, I just go into sleep paralysis. If that doesn’t happen, I just fall asleep.
I’'ve counted the success rate over 3 months and this is what I got:
20% DILDs (10% of which get me into sleep paralysis and fail, and 5% of which get me into sleep paralysis and get me into a lucid dream/obe)
30% sleep paralysis (5% which get me into an lucid dream/obe)
and 50% fails
So the overall success rate is 20%, which is pretty good. I suspect that the DILD -> SP -> LD has more success rate than SP -> LD since I’m in a more relaxed state.
This is what happens when I’m doing SILD:
I relax my body
I proceed as instructed, and usually stop to the sounds or sensations but never at the visuals
Fall asleep or enter sleep paralysis
My only problem now is getting from sleep paralysis to lucid dream. I get confused between my dream eyes and have trouble getting “out of body”.
Thanks cosmic. I think I will give my full attention to the SSILD technique.
Thanks also Kache for telling us your experiences. It is useful to see how others use a technique. Too often on LD forums people “disappear” and don’t report if a new technique is working for them or not.
Very interesting! I don’t supplement so my knowledge in this area is a little weak. I’d sort of been under the impression that galantamine and choline fit best with those who used the WILD method. But my own experience with SSILD is that it generates lots of DILDs (especially DILDs via false awakening.) Is there something special about SSILD that makes it uniquely well-suited for this supplementation or is this the general “lucid dreaming cocktail” that you like the best, regardless of technique?
Also, what dosages and timings do you typically use/recommend for this combo? Is this a “right before bed” thing or “right before you perform SSILD cycles” thing?
Is supplementation you still do yourself? Even though you clearly have no need for supplementation in order to have LDs (as you have thousands!), do you still personally prefer the enhanced clarity and recall that comes from this supplement mixture?
The combination is used as both a “trigger” and a LD enhancement. When used as a trigger with WILD, it generally takes a long time to work. First the supplements have to cross the blood brain barrier, and that takes time. Secondly, WILD itself is not that quick – between getting relaxed and entering the trance it may well take an hour or even more! SSILD, on the other hand, does not require you to stay awake for that long. You do your normal cycles and fall to sleep. As you sleep, the supplements begin to have effect on your brain. Now combine this effect with SSILD, you will end up having a VERY high chance to have multiple DILDS, OBEs, FAs, and etc. With this combo you have very high success rate, and at the same time it is not very demanding and works quickly.
As for taking supplements I mainly do it for experiments which I do all kinds. You should see my wife’s face when she saw me wearing all those magnetic chips and wires from the Shakti device, LOL. However, I do find the supplements very beneficial so I take them from time to time. SSILD is like a good sports car but it doesn’t run well on low-grade fuel, and the supplements are like premium gas which will bring out the performance.
This is what I do on my “supplement day”:
Take Melatonin an hour or two before I go to bed. This allows me to take advantage of REM rebound.
Wake up after 4 hours (I do this naturally).
Take 8mg Galantamine, 500mg Choline Bitartrate, 300mg GPC.
Stay awake for 5 to 10 minutes.
Go to bed and perform 5-6 cycles of SSILD.
Go to sleep.
That’s all it takes. Just in case you wake up without experiencing LD, you should remind yourself to perform an RC, and then do another round of SSILD.
I had to get Google to tell me what Shakti was! Ha ha, that’s hilarious… I am trying to imagine the look on my wife’s face if I announced that tonight I would be sleeping with a flashing electromagnetic helmet! So funny.
Thanks for all of the other info on your supplementation approach. Very interesting stuff.
Last night I set my alarm for 4am. I stayed up for twenty minutes. I went to bed and did the SSILD cycles. I lost my place a couple of times. At the end I was sort of half asleep, half awake. I drifted off to sleep. I woke about three times, did an RC each time and each time I was awake. I had zero dream recall. What now?
After a few nights of nothing with this method I extended the WBTB time, and something strange happened. I had two dreams and sort of analysed them while I was still asleep, I thought, these seem weird, then I woke up a bit into sleep paralysis before going back into the dream but when I tried to speak there was only a static sound. The next few dreams were a series of false awakenings where I was at home (I’m at university now) and I noticed strange things, but in each one I tried to change the scenery, so it was like a dream inside a dream, before I came back to my bedroom again. I even told a dream character I was dreaming. So was this low level lucidity?
I woke at 5am and did the cycles. I felt quite awake during the cycles - mind didn’t really wander like it has done when I tried SSILD at 4am - and after I was too awake to get back to sleep. Waking at 5am is quite unusual for me so I’ll keep trying for 5am (unless you advise otherwise).
Last night I think I was on the verge of an OBE again: I felt this energy and ringing in my head, I tried to go with it but nothing happened. Am I doing anything wrong?
Last night I had a burst of awareness but the dream collapsed almost instantly, and I ended up in a fuzzy state between sleep and being awake, only aware of my paralysed body. Am I getting closer?
Last week a very good friend of mine died, and I really couldn’t accept it. There was just so much I wanted to say to her. So I then I thought of lucid dreaming, and I wanted a quick result. So I thought, let’s try this easy sounding technique, SSILD.
And it worked better than I could have imagined. Woke up at 5, did the cycle 5 times and fell asleep straight into an LD. I called my friend and there she was. We had a good conversation and said goodbye. She really comforted me, told me I was the one who was sad, and that she never had any pain. Now I can finally move on. I promised not to go to her again.
I really want to thank the person who started this thread. I recommend it to all of you.
And, this is a great example of how LD’ing can help you with dealing with problems.
Wow… Thank you for sharing this wonderful experience with us. We spent a great deal of effort to develop this technique, and your post single-handedly made all that feel worthwhile!
