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*Laurelindo*
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Is lucid dreaming a controversial subject?
PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

I have got the impression that lucid dreaming is something that people in general have problems understanding, and apparently they tend to not accept the fact that it is indeed possible to control your dreams and even experience them in crystal clear vividness.
Granted, I don't really blame them for thinking so - if their experience of dreaming is exclusively of the vague, blurry and largely unconscious type that most of us experience unless we actively practice lucid dreaming then it might be hard to understand how "alive" dreams can be, but sometimes it almost seems like they are mildly provoked by the topic, and think you are crazy.
I can frankly say I haven't met a single person except my own mother and little brother in real life who has even heard of lucid dreaming before, and in the rare cases I have told them about the topic it has been clear that they haven't taken me seriously - at least not seriously enough to become interested and eager to learn, which really should be the natural reaction if you ask me, especially once you realize the possibilities.
It's definitely still an "underground" type of phenomenon, and it seems to take quite a lot before people really understand the potential in it.


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

It is controversial subject in western regions of the world and countries that are under western culture. Lucid dreaming is controversial subject because dreams are something that we usually pay no attention like you stated yourself.

It's quite sad I would say and amazes me when you tell someone what it actually means controlling your dreams how cold blooded they remain. But it's quite normal if you think about it. Western culture due to religious influence remains so close minded that it's no wonder that we are thought that dreams have no purpose in our lives...

The best example of this is Alan Watts. He's born British but lived in America. He's best known as an interpreter and populariser of Eastern philosophy for a Western audience. It's funny how much sense he can make when you actually listen to a person with an open mind....



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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

I know from my own experience that lucid dreaming is very controversial. I've had countless discussions about lucid dreams with many people, some of whom embrace the idea that it exists and want to try it themselves, but also many who reject the idea for reasons beyond my knowledge.

It's such a shame that so little people know about, and try to, lucid dream. Maybe one day some of us will understand why the idea of controlling dreams seems so impossible, but I do believe that dB_FTS is right to an extent, that lucid dreaming is controversial because people usually don't pay attention to their dreams. Until I learnt of lucid dreaming I certainly never paid any attention to my dreams whatsoever.



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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

I have to agree on pretty much everything said above: when i told my parents, they didn't believe me and my sisters weren't interested in the subject, even if they believed me (one of them even said to me she has had one once).
Most of the other people i told didn't seem very interested except for my best friend who started trying right away :D

i think it is also a matter of how you approach the subject, it should be easier to convince them if you start with a question like "did you ever have a dream in wich you knew you were dreaming?" and tell them that in that case they can control it, rather than start directly with the control of the dream itself.



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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Yea I agree with what you all are saying. LD ing is controversial to an extent. Other than others being close minded about the whole idea I've herd of those who were too afraid to try LDing. In my opinion I find the close mindedness pretty annoying, but somehow manage to keep my cool about it.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

It's not controversial. That implies people have something against it. At most it's controversial with people who think you're "playing god" or "being possessed by demons". As far as any rational debate could go, there's no way it's controversial in the slightest.

It just receives ridiculously high levels of apathy.



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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Masonc1 wrote:
It's not controversial. That implies people have something against it.

Not necessarily, a controversial subject is something that causes debate and differing opinions because it's something people in general are not familiar with or uncomfortable with for some reason.

But yeah, it does seem like people don't want to have anything to do with it and try to avoid the subject whenever it is brought up.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

*Laurelindo* wrote:
But yeah, it does seem like people don't want to have anything to do with it and try to avoid the subject whenever it is brought up.

I don't think they try to avoid it, it's simply the complete lack of interest of most people in the subject (maybe because they don't realise the possibilities of lucid dreaming).

And about the "demonic possession"?!? hahaha XD
i heared about lucid dreamers being called crazy, but thats even worse lach2



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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

noobdreamer wrote:
*Laurelindo* wrote:
But yeah, it does seem like people don't want to have anything to do with it and try to avoid the subject whenever it is brought up.

I don't think they try to avoid it, it's simply the complete lack of interest of most people in the subject (maybe because they don't realise the possibilities of lucid dreaming).

And about the "demonic possession"?!? hahaha XD
i heared about lucid dreamers being called crazy, but thats even worse lach2

Haha, yeah it has to be because they don't realize the possibilities, I sincerely believe that lucid dreaming would be of interest for anyone.
Everyone has desires in their lives, right?
Well, lucid dreams can fulfill almost any desires you can imagine and even help you defeat nightmares.
That's why I believe that absolutely anyone would be interested in lucid dreaming if they realized what it truly meant.
Lucid dreaming even allows you to improve your memory in waking life, since you become more aware in general.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

I told lots of people about lucid dreaming. Most of them told me that dreams are messages of god and you shouldn't mess with them, and others told me that talking about dreams to others will "get you punished in the afterlife".

Overly religious nitwits.


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Kache, it sounds like you live in a fun place.


Anyways, in my personal experience, lucid dreaming hasn't been terribly controversial. I've heard some say that they don't believe that lucid dreaming exists, and others just think I'm weird for paying attention to dreams.

At the same time, it's a lot less controversial than it used to be. In TV shows, people talk about having dream journals, though it's occasionally used in a comedic context as dreams can be embarrassing, and then there are also films that include it, like Inception. If anything, it's gone from being stereotyped as "weird" or "new age" (which it isn't) to more of a "nerd" phenomenon. (and that's using "nerd" in the more general definition, not the comic books/science/BBT/pocket protector image that the word creates)

In fact, I've talked to people about lucid dreaming without being aware that they know about it. I have had conversations where it's just worked in organically as though it's a common subject. And that's without having discussed it with people before.

I'm just grateful that it's lost the new-agey connotations. People I knew used to group it in with things like meditation and spirituality for some odd reason. Now, like others have said, it's just ignorance. People don't care about the subject of dreams.

Okay, so maybe it is controversial, I guess. But it's quickly improving.



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PostPosted: Sat 16 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

It's actually really unfair for lucid dreaming as a subject to be labelled "New Age".
It has been known for at least a millenium and can be so beneficial in so many ways.
People have no idea what they are talking about when they consider it "weird" and "not real".

I have actually posted comments about lucid dreaming on Facebook a couple times in the past, just to possibly stir up some interest, but nobody ever seems to wanna respond to it.


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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

*Laurelindo* wrote:
I have actually posted comments about lucid dreaming on Facebook a couple times in the past, just to possibly stir up some interest, but nobody ever seems to wanna respond to it.


I don't understand why people aren't interested in it. I guess they're either lazy, or try one time and fail and then give up.


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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Everyone I told about Lucid Dreaming tried, failed and never tried again.

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Feb, 2013  Reply with quote

Peipo wrote:
Everyone I told about Lucid Dreaming tried, failed and never tried again.

Yes, it seems like this mistake is a little too common among beginners, they seem to forget the fact that lucid dreaming is a whole lifestyle that is completely different from what most of them have lived like until they discovered lucid dreaming.
Of course it's probably gonna take some time to actually become good at this, expecting a lucid dream after practicing for only a few days is like expecting to become an excellent car driver after taking 2-3 driving lessons.
Lucid dreaming requires a passion for dreaming in general, a mature and patient mindset and the understanding that lucid dreaming is essentially just normal dreams where your awareness has been improved; and it's up to each lucid dreamer to find their own ways to improve their awareness and critical thinking.
Some of the most famous and successful echniques, like MILD, WBTB and WILD are examples of how to increase your dream awareness, they aren't something that you actually "have to do" in order to succeed.


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