i feel like i should thank you all, i bow my head with gratitude, thank you
the termonoligy is tricky here. super conscious you say? i probably wouldnt term it that way but lets leave those aside and ill just adress it through the way you explained it. Lumessence, it does sound like you have a similar experience to what Raissu is talking about.
this is interesting. on one hand i can relate, in the first dream i did have some awareness that this is a dream but in the other two following that one, i wasnt aware of the dream at all, but i can say it really was like waking life, some sort of another reality, so clear to seem just like waking reality.
which would make sense if i would have been lucid at the time, since the sensation of a dream being real does happen when your lucidity is high, but at that time i wasnt lucid at all, i didnt question the dream i just experienced it the way you experience waking life. guess you can put it that way.
on the other hand!
have you ever wondered that what you experienced could have actually be another reality?
i would say in my experience i knew they were dreams, but who knows what dreams are anyways?
Lumessence can you explain more about a “false lucid dream”?
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dB_fts, mind if i call you Dragon Ball?
i was waiting to have a conversation such as this with you. read some of your posts, by the way you write i understood we have some things in common.
YES! it really does not matter the technique you use, the point of it is to keep you aware through the transformation into the dream.
and Yes! what you say is very correct. please let me explain how i classify the In-Between state. this should probably be in another topic but heck! this conversations is way too interesting!
The IN-BETWEEN state
the in between state is the blackout state experienced.
this is a state we all go through when were falling asleep. i started calling it he Blackout stage/state since most of us do not experience it, we always find ourselves right inside the dream, but how did we get there? we were just laying in bed who knows how long ago?
so you see, its just like we blackout and our awareness pops back up when were already inside the dream.
being fascinated by that stage while exploring lucid dreams i would try to keep myself conscious, my mind busy, and figure out whats going on in that blackout stage.
it turns out, when you keep your awareness with you as you go to sleep you actually start seeing how your thoughts take form, molding into visual mind stuff (since you dont see with your eyes when dreaming).
if you ever experienced a lost of lucidity near waking up you might have noticed that the way you step back out of the dream and into the waking is done by the removement of your senses from the dream in a certain order and their reappearance in the waking state. you can say youre moving your senses from one place to another, or simply that is by the drawing of your consciousness from one plane of existence to another (but were not using terminologies in this topic!!).
that being said, the disappearance of senses is done in a certain order. your sight goes first, noticed a lot of times when you lose lucidity everything goes black but you can still feel your body as being present in the dream?
that is why researchers like Stephan Labarge recommend that if this happens, keep moving your body, even if you cant no longer see it does not mean your not still in the dream, by doing so you refocus your attention in your dream body and can reverse the process and stay in the dream.
going back to our initial point.
as you go through the blackout stage you can start seeing thoughts form but its still not clear, the senses move into the dream in the opposite order they disappear from it. if sight would go out first when you lose your lucidity then it would be the last to show up when you gain your entrance into the dream.
i had personal experiences where i would first feel my body running on the road but it was only later on that i actually saw the road and where im running.
from understanding the blackout stage came the change in name to the In-Between state.
the more you experience this you realize that his is a middle stage, the point between the waking and the dreaming.
yes, this is the place of weirdness, it is also the stage where SP comes into play, where you can “hallucinate”. it makes perfect sense since this is the point where the dream and the waking meld, where you are in both, not completely anchored in any of them. this is really a gate of sorts. and from this came its name.
youd be surprised how easy you can get there. getting to that point when you just go to bed might not be that easy but every time you wake up in the middle of the night youre practically somewhat in the stage already, it depends on how much sleepy you are or not (since that is how much you already anchored yourself in the waking reality or stayed in the hazy line in between), much like these times we wake up in the middle of the night and then go straight back to sleep in a matter of seconds, if you can Will yourself to remain focus, keep up your awareness, it is much easier to be aware of that state.
there was actually a research about that stage, they called it he “phase”. there is a video you can look up about it, i dont agree with most of their research but they did manage to prove how easily you can use this stage to become lucid.
so for closure about this subject. all of what i write is from my own experience, i really have no intention nor motive to lie about any of this.
like i said before i had an experience with this that i first felt myself running and then saw as the dream formed visually, entering the dream lucid. i also had another time where i actually found myself looking into, what you can call, picture frames where i choose to actually step into one of them which was like stepping into the dream by choice.
another example of an experience through the in-between i wrote roughly at the bottom of this page ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.p … order=asc& &start=60
there is a lot of potential in this unexplored state, a gate that leads to many places i believe.
were you able to preform a WILD from a complete wakeful state? all the times i managed to WILD were when i woke up in the middle of the night and then undergone the technique to do WILD.
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to be honest there is another part to the experience i initially wrote in this topic which i left out.
ive been experiencing this other being a lot of the times when i found myself in the in between (also wrote about that being in the link i provided). most of the times i just feel like he’s siting on me and touching my back, and yes i somehow know its a male.
instead of getting creeped out i decided to see it as another part of my full self
(you can say higher self or sub conscious but i understand there are many parts of the self and i dont quite know what he is).
that night when i had the experience i wrote about, i decided to look at him when he appeared, it was frightening in some sense. i felt as if he was just horizontally lying on my back that night, i opened my eyes to look at it and i saw a figure which looked like me very statically lies with arms to his sides the way i described, it wasnt physical.
once i saw this i became very calm, knowing that it is a part of me and i just said “ohh so lets merge”. i felt as its body merged into mine and i became extremely calm leading to that point where i felt completely awake in the physical yet with a strong sense of the dream as i described. after that i fell asleep and the rest is as i wrote it.
i know each one of my posts is really long but this is part of my passion! i love this, i can only talk about it with enthusiasm! and i have a lot to say about it =D