No I did not RC.
In both dreams I get the feeling I am dreaming.
In “Looking for luggage” I definitely know I am dreaming. But after that moment I continue like nothing happened. So there is a moment of lucidity but it vanishes immediately. So I don’t qualify it as a lucid dream
Welp, I appear to be out of juice. Good game, Ghengis.
For today 8/27/17:
-Had a brief lucid via MILD which ended seconds after becoming lucid. Had a hunch I was sitting with Genghis at the restaurant, but it ended before I could confirm it (near miss).
I will post a feedback poll today (Sunday - Soon).
I will post the final scores tonight (Sunday late night early Monday).
The Special Lucidity Challenge Awards Ceremony will be held on Monday.
Do not miss it!
It goes without saying that after I post the final scores, any edit will be ignored.
I hope you have enjoyed the LC60® if you cannot add anything else!
If you are a participant, you can help GenghisKhan or Koharo!
You can dream of them or dream of their subtasks: GenghisKhan:
Hint to participants: You have the right to refuse claiming a subtask that helps someone you don’t want to help.
Hint to GenghisKhan and Koharo: it is nonsense to refuse claiming a task from the other, since the dreamer always gets more than the owner.
[EDIT] Check in is closed.
No more dreams are accepted.
Last chance for edits before final scores are posted. Please check if there are any mistakes!
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Mew sits upon a golden throne, while watching you and the other participants try to do the new tasks in your weakened state. Tggtt is standing next to the throne, holding out a plate of cookies for Mew. You have to find a way to free Tggtt and end this LC! But how? Mew is absorbing most of your lucid powers so any sort of attacks wouldn’t end with you winning. If only you had some outside help… suddenly you and the other participants silently hatch a plan! You all focus your energy together and shine a beam of light into the sky… the LUCIDITY SIGNAL from earlier. Mew sits up a little, curious to see what you’re planning, but doesn’t feel threatened at all. You continue shining the light in desperation when you suddenly you hear something rumbling in the distance. You see some people flying in from far away… it’s the DCs from that volcanic island from Task 1! You stop shining the light as they land.
“We see you’re in trouble… and we think it’s time to truly return the favor!” one of them says. Mew gets up furiously and races over to your group but the islanders have already removed and destroyed the devices sapping your lucid powers. Tggtt curiously comes over to investigate and study what is happening… and finds Mew completely surrounded by angry LC participants.
“I… can explain, everyone! You know I was just kidding about all that ‘Taking Over The LC’ stuff! Heh… heh. …Is this going to happen at the end of every LC I host?” Mew says. And with that, you and the other LC participants decide to get your revenge on the co-host of LC60. As the catharsis ensues, you hear a loud but muffled voice echo out: “We have arrived at the venue. Please exit the doors on the right side and don’t forget any of your belongings. And PLEASE wake up any sleeping neighbors you have. Yes, anyone who fell asleep on the way here needs to WAKE UP!”
You wake up with a jolt. You’re… on a train? With a bunch of other LD4all members! Oh right… you and the others are on the way to the LC60 Special Awards Ceremony! You get up and leave to enter the venue for the awards ceremony, but turn back to watch the dream-colored train depart. You sleepily follow the others as you’re herded into a big ballroom. There’s a large stage area where the awards will be given out and lots of fancy tables everywhere for the audience. You take your seat as staff members bring out food and drinks to everyone. Once everyone’s seated the lights begin to dim and the LC hosts appear on stage. You notice that Tggtt has a giant stack of envelopes. Those can’t all be awards… can they? You prepare to be here listening to all the awards for quite a while.
Siiw. Winner:[spoiler]Koharo! (26 entries)
[/spoiler] Most Fiction from Dreams Nominated:[center]No one was nominated [/center] Most Poetry from Dreams Nominated:1. Koharo;
moogle. Winner:[spoiler]Koharo! (3 entries)
[/spoiler] Most Music Sheets from Dreams Nominated:1. Susan_Y. Winner:[spoiler]Susan_Y! (1 entry)[/spoiler] Most Photography from Dreams Nominated:1. ChaosAngel. Winner:[spoiler]ChaosAngel! (1 entry)[/spoiler] Most Memes from Dreams Nominated:1. Cornelia Xaos;
Koharo. Winner:[spoiler]Koharo! (7 entries)
[/spoiler] Most Sculptures from Dreams Nominated:1. ChaosAngel. Winner:[spoiler]ChaosAngel! (1 entry)[/spoiler] Most LD Technique Successes Nominated:1. ChaosAngel;
Siiw. Winner:[spoiler]Koharo! (13 successes)
[/spoiler] Most CALD Successes Nominated:[center]No one was nominated [/center] Most DEILD Successes Nominated:1. Koharo. Winner:[spoiler]Koharo! (2 successes)[/spoiler] Most FILD Successes Nominated:[center]No one was nominated [/center] Most HILD Successes Nominated:[center]No one was nominated [/center] Most LDILD Successes Nominated:[center]No one was nominated [/center] Most MILD Successes Nominated:1. Koharo;
Majah. Winner:[spoiler]LDbc12! (6 successes)
[/spoiler] Most SSILD Successes Nominated:[center]No one was nominated [/center] Most UILD Successes Nominated:[center]No one was nominated [/center] Most VILD Successes Nominated:1. Siiw. Winner:[spoiler]Siiw! (1 success)[/spoiler] Most WILD Successes Nominated:1. ChaosAngel;
Many congratulations to the winners and everyone else, who made this challenge one of the greatest in history of LD4all.
Many thanks to all participants!
We have shared our dream of a great challenge, which you made possible!
Many thanks to the participants who share their dreams as well.
Many thanks to the participants who did not give up.
Many thanks to the participants who share their art.
Many thanks to the participants who have chosen the LC60® to be their first challenge.
This will not be forgotten. I hope you have enjoyed it!
runs into the room
" Hi everyone! I’ve had no Internet out at the camp for a couple weeks, but I’m back now, and I’m ready to get back into the LC…oh…it’s finnished."
Thank you again to Tggtt and Mew for hosting !
It has been an awesome LC !
Thanks Koharo for heating up the competition: even though I joined mostly to end a 6-months dry spell, in the end the scoring struggle and tie-break was really fun and exciting !
Thank you all !
It would be a pleasure hosting LC61, even though the burden is heavy: it could result in an immense step backward
I’d appreciate Tggtt help to understand how the wonderful LC site worked and, possibly, replicate it
Also, anyone wishing to co-host for a smooth LC would be more than welcome !
Thanks for hosting Tggtt and Mew! You did an excellent job. Nice fun stories to read and also very up to date with the scores and everything.
At first I thought about participating but I didn’t. Maybe I should have, because in hindsight, I think this challenge would have helped me with dream recall. (and well writing down my dreams in general, as I stopped after the ND challenge.)
At times I felt like the challenge was more about dream recall than about dream incubation or lucid dreaming, but in the end those with the most lucid dreams did become the top two so I guess it is quite balanced Plus it helps that you can only do the subsubtaks or however they are called once.
I would be honored if the LC60® served as a stepping stone for the future challenges.
I intend to release the LC60® system as open-source.
However:
I might be too busy to provide technical support depending on when it is hosted. (I intentionally accepted to work on the challenge during July which is often an easy month for me)
I do not own the server of the system, it was provided by geekboy. I promised it would be seasonal, not a long time usage.
I recommend to wait for the survey answers before proceeding, many people dislike the format of LC60 and we must assess how many and adapt.
There is an issue with estimating value variation before the first claim (subtask values) that I did not have time to improve. I had to manually execute a procedure to update them as a work-around. Rest assured that the claimed scores were precise regardless. Perhaps the next challenge won’t use it, it is up to the new host.
Thank you very much Sandra!
I am honored that non-participants were also following.
Well, we almost reached 25 participants. almost.
I believe that recall is very important for LDing.[spoiler]The amount of subtasks was planned to encourage recall.
The idea was that the dreamers would wake up and then check the subtasks they achieved even without planning… and help them to recall.
Initially I wanted to implement a strict limit on unlocks but felt like participants would hate missing giveaways more than having too many subtasks.
I expected participants to focus more on the tasks instead of the unlockables.
Maybe they were just not used to the format.[/spoiler]
Please add more comments, I will also try to add more highlights that should help the next host.
I have been waiting for answers but I guess we have enough after so long.
Pool Results.
I had to remove the plots because they made the file too large.
Only IDs 8 and 19 had more than 5 mistakes in the LC60® test.
Since they were only 2, I did not remove them from the results.
LC60® had a lot of score value decrease for LDs, so techniques plus an LD would still be worth less than in past LCs.
Still, it could be further improved.
A quick solution that would completely work is to make the techniques non-accumulative.
Some might ask to add a limit higher than 1 for them, however it would require substantial coding on the system if it’s going to be used again (unless the limit is made manually).
In my original plan for LC60® value variation, they would be more aggressive than 0 to 7 points. It was a point of concern (pun intended) since it would be hard to people to calculate their scores, so they would have trust issues with my score keeping.[spoiler]In the original plan, the variable scores would curve down exponentially when someone had too many successes, to effectively force people to vary their techniques/stop hoarding points.
The effect would work like a stock crash.
Many people asked for less subtasks. Adding less subtasks is actually easier to do.
In my original plan, there wouldn’t be as many subtasks, but they would still be plenty.
Since many of them were simple, they wouldn’t require much incubation, but more recall.
The idea behind the amount would be to encourage dreamers to improve their recall by checking the open subtasks.
Things that seem to work:
More than one host.
Art points.
Daily updates.
Technique points.
Task, subtasks and subsubtasks.
Weekly deadlines.
Badges.
Strict day of week for new tasks.
Subtask Voting.
Challenge Length Voting.
Feedback Surveys.
Dream of Participant.
Decreasing the value of LDs was positive to balance. But balancing is sometimes hard to notice when you are a participant.
Removing the task performed in LD bonus seems positive. It is already easier to perform tasks when you are lucid. This means that bonus was terrible for balancing.
Length voting had a high rating. So it is nice to give the people a chance to extend what they like or shorten what they don’t like.
People seem to like dreaming of participant subtasks.
I did not expect people to like the deadlines, but it had high rating.
The plan behind deadlines is twofold:1. To calculate the variable score;
to avoid a huge dump from someone who is away;
Funfact: The badges were not initially planned. They were added after I wrote the signups. I did not expect it to be valuable, but it probably motivates the participants.
It is actually easy to add and if the next challenges use it, they could have fixed badge system to avoid partiality.
It is important to remember that we did not have all the participants voting.
This means that only people who like surveys may have completed it, affecting this result.
Things that do not have much effect and are up to the host:
IRC bot.
Subtask owning and sharing.
More points for late tasks.
Unlockables.
Named Subtask categories (colors).
Similar Scoreboard System.
Tie-break.
We do not have strong preference/hate for the subtask owning. So it is up to the host.
The participants might not notice that it is important while they are just participating.
The fixed base score increase is effective for balancing.
This is when the new task has more valuable subtasks than previous tasks.
I argue that it is valid since the new task is valid for less time (while the past tasks are still open).
It was already implemented in LC47 and is not a new thing (further thanks to Mew151 for collaborating with our score system).
Qualitative answers praise the tie-breaking because it is exciting.
We do not have strong quantitative preference/hate for the tie-breaking, so it is up to the host.
Giveaways did not work well, still, things were much better than I expected. I expected most participants to just ignore it.
From the host perspective, unlockables and voting are good since the participants have power to add the subtasks they prefer.
The participants might feel motivated because of their contribution and at the same time the host has a feedback on how they like the subtasks before the first success.
Without unlocking, the colors do not add much.
You should not add score for completing a color/set/rainbow because it is not balancing. There could just be more badges.
[spoiler]Without the unlocking, the colors are almost useless. They were added to balance the demand for subtasks.
Spoiler: It is proven to work with Monopoly. The cards were not a coincidence.
For some reason, surveys and poll have been high rated but subtask voting did not have the same result.
Some people did not like the scoreboard. Some prefer spreadsheets.
This means the system should be improved to show data like spreadsheets.
Perhaps some day we could have collaboration on the LC system, which was one of my ideas.
Things that did not work:
Newsroom.
RSS feed.
Value variation for subtasks.
Named Subtask types.
Apparently hardly anyone cared for the news page.
I don’t know if anyone tried using the RSS.
People are apparently afraid of the value variation and it wasn’t welcomed.
The named subtask types (ex: simple task, lucidity power, DC-related) were added to balance the tasks. Tasks from 1 to 4 had the same number of each subtask type.
This is actually good for the task design but participants do not care much about it.
I hope it helps. I could add more trivia about the LC60 that could actually be helpful.