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#1: The truth about dreams Author: dreamland? PostPosted: Sun 13 Feb, 2005
Lately i have been thinking a lot about what LD's where, till one night right before i went to bed and it hit me. when you sleep your spirit leaves the body and becomes its own thoughts. so if i was thinking about a playground before i went to bed i would be on that playground when my spirit left its body form. Its really an OBE because you leave your body everynight. Thats why in a dream you control it, when you think you become so thats how we become lucid. Also this is what happens when you die except you know you are dead because you are aloud to know. in dreams you not aloud to know but only to think its a dream in the mind of the body. When you learn this you can become more lucid and do or experince everything. The next day after learning this i read what dreams really are in this book i had been reading (conversations with god) and it was exactly as i had thought the night before. Any contridictions to this i can back up but i don't know the whole truth behind this. to learn even more i suggest you read Conversations with God.

#2:  Author: Sureal PostPosted: Sun 13 Feb, 2005
Actually, that's just what you believe it to be.

Now, here's MY beliefs wink5.

- When we dream, we simply experincing a set of possibilities, made up by our sub-c to test us and improve our reactions to different scenarios.

But then why do we dream about all this weird stuff?

Simple. TV shows/movies, books, fire side camp stories. The human race has an imagination, and fiction (not just books) confuses our sub-c. It takes it as real life and so adds it into our dreams.

The reason we don't become lucid all the time, is simply because we refuse to accept that our lives may be false. You know in The Matrix, when Neo learns that his entire life has been a 'dream' and freaks out? It's like that.
When my RC's first passed in a dream, I refused to believe it and so carried on unlucidly.

However, we (us lucid dreamer) have learnt to overcome this. We can accept it's a dream, no matter how realistic it seems. Natural lucid dreamers probably have a more open mind about reality then everyone else.

The reason we can control things in our lucid dreams, is not because we our spirits freed from out bodies, but because we realise that what we're experincing isn't real, but rather all in our mind. The dream is a world, a concept, built by our brain. We can tell the dream to do soemthing differently - by expecting it to be like that - and it does. And so we can fly/run up walls/whatever.

No one but the dread knows what it's like after you die. It may be like a dream. You may even be lucid in it.
But I doubt it.

But once again, I just wish to point out that these are my beliefs.

#3:  Author: dreamland? PostPosted: Sun 13 Feb, 2005
well i also like to point out that what you said only helps my argument because you belief is the opposite of mine. Its like north and south now i might not be really north and you might not be all the way south but we are still opposites. what im saying is you can take my side or your side. really i don't care but some poeple need to know both sides to decide. really just about everyone is somewhere in the south side but never even thinks of what is north. all i'm saying is test my idea out and see what i might be saying. read the book i spoke of and see what i believe. then if you still like yours better decide to saty with that but don't just stay closed off to your idea.

#4:  Author: lucidboy PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar, 2005
to you both do this: Just search the truth for yourself and stick the truth to yourself.

#5:  Author: VisionDreamz PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar, 2005
Sometimes I read books that really convince me too, and It's really annoying when other people don't read them ; )

#6:  Author: Sean PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar, 2005
I think...

"Dreams are random impulses of the unconscious which mean nothing at all. Your brain is, while you are sleeping, busy categorizing the previous day. All information transmitted in your brain is weaved into a dream."

and when you become lucid you just take control of these random thoughts...

#7:  Author: milod789 PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar, 2005
I think it is more like a combination of both dreamland? and Sureal.

I think “normal” dreaming and normal lucid dreaming is strictly in your mind. However, I am also open to the possibility that there are other states beyond dreaming such as OOBE, AP, and there may well be things beyond that. I think these other states are accessible through normal dreams, lucid dreams, meditation and self hypnosis.

That is just my belief.

#8:  Author: Dark Sider PostPosted: Sat 12 Mar, 2005
What if the universe is all in your head? that way you'd be leaving your body and it's still all in your mind... right ? smile

#9:  Author: Cyrus PostPosted: Thu 17 Mar, 2005
At first, i don't say that ALL OBE-s happen only in our head and that no one is actually visited astral plan. Now this in mind, i want simply to put your theory to test (somehow i think that it fails this simple test):

Next time you LD, or have OBE in your room look at different things: are they where they suppose to be. When you wake up, look again: are those things what you saw during your dream in your room really there where you saw them. Is something missing in dream? Is something additional in your room what isn't there after you wake up?

And to make it more certain: visit your friend whom you haven't visited recently. Notice what things are in his room, and where they are. Later describe the things in the room to your friend and ask is this description correct.

There are more how to test this. Good luck ^^

#10:  Author: bzteam PostPosted: Thu 17 Mar, 2005
This is my view:
A lucid dream is simply one where your conscious 'wakes up' when your subconscious is in control. The art of lucid dreaming is to always be aware of your reality - to keep your conscious self alert. That's why we train ourselves with reality checks e.t.c.

I think the philosophy comes in when we start to explore our subconsciousness and the limits of our mind via lucid dreaming. It's an endless means for self discovery and spiritual exploration.

#11:  Author: Cyrus PostPosted: Thu 17 Mar, 2005
bzteam wrote:
It's an endless means for self discovery and spiritual exploration.

Good point!

We actually don't know even ourself and we try to discover what the world "really is" by believeing that our LD's and OBE-s are real astral travels

It's much beneficial for us and those whom we encounter if we start to explore ourself at first. And talking with DC-s, interacting with subconciousness and "lost" memories and with our fears and desires, is the best way how to use LDs IMO. Of course having fun in LD while doing casual stuff is side-effect what has it's function also

#12:  Author: Eldwinn PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006
i like dreamland's theory the most

#13:  Author: bengoodger PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006
I think that it's irrelevant whether dreams are messages from the unconscious or not (I doubt they are - the unconscious has more efficient methods of grabbing your attention.) What matters is that we can manipulate them.

Oh, and LD4All is not a place for christians to go on missionary quests. It is, however, a place for grammar and spelling.</rant>

#14:  Author: Tomas PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006
Lately i have been thinking a lot about what LD's where, till one night right before i went to bed and it hit me. when you sleep your spirit leaves the body and becomes its own thoughts.

And how exactly did you come to this conclusion? All scientific studies about dreams seems to have come to the conclusion that you never leave your body and that the dream images are created by your own brain which is mostly formed from memories.

Have you experienced something that actually proved your theory? Because it sounds to me like you take it as truth just because a book said so. I can kinda respect it if you had some profound experience, though i will still be skeptic myself. But i think it is extremly naive if you take this as truth just because of this book, as that is basicly blind faith.
This is also why i am against the major religions of today.

#15:  Author: Sonia PostPosted: Mon 02 Oct, 2006
bengoodger wrote:
(I doubt they are - the unconscious has more efficient methods of grabbing your attention.)

Do tell me; just what are these other methods? You left me hanging with that statement there, and I'd like to know what you mean by these other methods of grabbing your attention.

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