I am a Lucid Dreamer: Commanding the Subconscious Mind
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#1: I am a Lucid Dreamer: Commanding the Subconscious Mind Author: BenDrummin58 PostPosted: Sat 13 Mar, 2010
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I am a Lucid Dreamer
Commanding the Subconscious Mind

What if you could control exactly who you were and what you were capable of? You might say that at this moment you already have such an ability, but then why do you dislike certain foods or only hang out with certain people? Why is your hair like that and how come you don't wear something else? We are who we are based off of what we're used to and what we're comfortable with (especially if being comfortable means fitting in with others). The truth is, we are very controlled in our lives. Our friends, family, and even initial goals flood our lives, restricting us from doing anything "outside" of what we're expected to do. Well, perhaps there's a way to change that.

Almost four years ago, I posted a thread dealing with communication between the conscious and subconscious mind. I gave a series of steps and hints that allowed for people to see that in order to get something accross to their subconscious mind, they must word it correctly. Well, I've decided that I want to word most of that thread differently and perhaps offer a more stable approach at commanding the subconscious. What I am about to discuss does in fact deal with lucidity (for you can command yourself to become lucid), but it also pertains to everything else in life--from your wants/needs to your personality.

So, lets continue from here on out with the basis that you want to have the ability to lucid dream. Of course, your initial response to wanting to have a lucid dream is just that--you think about how badly you want a lucid dream! You might even shout "I want to have a lucid dream!". Now, let's think about what you're saying and how that actually affects your subconscious mind. When you express how much you want something, all you're really doing is causing yourself to want it more (I know this sounds obvious, but bare with me). Why is this bad? Well, you don't want to "want" a lucid dream, you want to "have" a lucid dream. Fortifying the notion that you want something will only cause you to obsess over it more and eventually beat yourself up when you don't get what you want.

Think of a high school crush for instance. Let's say you're really into that hot popular boy/girl that doesn't even know you exist. You think about them all the time and even fantasize for a brief moment what it would be like to actually date them. You continue to hype them up so much in your head that all other things seem to not matter anymore. Then, one day, that person happens to stand behind you in the lunch line, just waiting for somebody to talk to them. Since you're so hyped up, you begin to feel terrified when you even consider talking to her. What will you say? How will it turn out? These are things you didn't even consider because you were too busy wanting her--so instead of spending your lunch period getting to know her, you avoid saying anything and stand in silence as you wait for your food.

You really have to be careful when you think about what it is you're trying to shoot for in life--lucid dreaming included. It's very easy to get stuck on wanting a lucid dream, as opposed to actually having one. So, what should you think about, then? Should you say "I will have a lucid dream"? Well, no. Saying that you will have one gives your subconscious mind the perception that whatever it is that you want (ie lucid dreaming), you don't have the capability to have one now, but will in the future. When will you have one? At that point, not even your subconscious would know. Instead of focusing on wills and wants, what you should be considering is something much more concrete.

I went to see a hypnotherapist a few months ago for a phobia that I had. This phobia was a bit dabilitating and I felt as if I had no other way to resolve it. So I went to see this hypnotherapist and the first thing he asks me is how I have gone about trying to resolve my phobia. I responded with saying that I had told myself that my phobia wasn't something harmful and it was merely in my head. The hypnotherapist laughed and simply said, "Why would you try and convince yourself that your phobia isn't harmful when you could just change yourself to stop fearing it?" Of course, I thought this was much easier said than done, but kept listening to the guy nonetheless. He took out a sheet of paper and a pen and told me that he was about to give me the two most important words that anybody could say to themselves. He wrote something down and handed the paper over. Written in big letters, it said "I am". He then told me to write several sentences, all starting with "I am", and leading into something that I want to change about myself--one of which he recommended being "I am confident and free to live my life happily."

So, how does this have anything to do with lucid dreaming? Well, think about it. You are who you make yourself as. Every single thought that you think of is filtered through your subconscious. Your subconscious wants to help you--it wants to give you everything that you need in order to stabilise your life and hopefully make you happy. If you say you want something, it's going to allow you to really want something. If you say you hate something, you're going to form a strong connection of hatred towards that thing. Think about it--haven't you ever met somebody for the first time and judged them based off of their behavior and then using that judgement for every subsequent time that you see them? Perhaps that person was having a bad day when you first met them, and from there on out you considered them as an ***--when really they could be the most generous person around. Your subconscious will give you exactly what you ask for, you just have to know how to ask for it.

Still don't know how to ask for a lucid dream? Well, here are some that I've used: I am able to have a lucid dream; I am going to have a lucid dream tonight; I am lucid. The idea is that you want to tell your subconscious who you are. You don't want to allow it to base it off of the wrong thing and give you undesirable results (like blowing your chances for that hotty at school). Think of your subconscious as a computer and you as the programmer. It will only do what you ask of it, and it'll do it verbatim. All you have to do is find out what to say and hammer that thought in over and over until it becomes a part of you.

The usage of "I am" can be utilized anywhere and everywhere. It can turn you into an entirely new person and make life paths that were once invisible, visible. It's important to know who you are, but it's even more important to figure out and decide who you'll become. Since my sessions with that hypnotherapist, I've really come to find that my life has completely changed for the better. I'm happier, healthier, and I know exactly where I'm headed. My name is Ben, and I am a lucid dreamer.

#2:  Author: tosxyChor PostPosted: Sat 13 Mar, 2010
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Wonderful post. ^^
Gotta always say, the simplest solutions are often the best ones. But it takes courage to show things as they are, in their simplicity.
If you want to be something, just state it out loud and write it down. I'll be definitely putting this to good use from now on, so thanks BenDrummin58. smile

I'm tosxyChor, and I'm a proficient, skilled, resourceful, awesome Lucid Dreamer! biggrin


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#3:  Author: mattias PostPosted: Sat 13 Mar, 2010
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Brilliant! The whole "wanting only makes you want more" I believe is exactly wht's been my problem lately!!

My name is Mattias and I AM a lucid dreamer! grin

EDIT: Oh, and a few questions.
- Should I say it throughout the day? or while falling asleep or meditating is better?
- And should I say it a couple times and forget about it ot will it be more effective if I repeat it over and over and over?
- is it possible to "ask for too much"? (like "I am able to have long and vivid lucid dreams where I'm very conscious every night" or something like that...)
thanks wink

#4:  Author: BenDrummin58 PostPosted: Mon 15 Mar, 2010
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Mattias, since it's your subconscious, do whatever makes you feel like you're getting the point accross. Personally, whenever I perform a reality check or think about dreaming in general, I remind myself that I am a lucid dreamer. Additionally, as you mentioned, I repeat my mantra either until I fall asleep or for about two to five minutes if it's keeping me up (which is the MILD technique).

As for asking too much: no, you can't reach any limit. Like I said, your subconscious wants to do everything it's commanded to do to satisfy you. Now, if you're giving it paragraphs of information, I do think you could confuse both your conscious and subconscious mind due to the inability to concentrate and process everything at once. Keep your sentences short and simple--no need to add in fluff.

In the end, just make sure you do what you feel will work most effectively.

#5:  Author: Martz PostPosted: Mon 15 Mar, 2010
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I would like to say that this has helped me quite a lot. Last night I read this post, it made everything seem much easier. Thanks Ben for this, I have been on an over 2 month dry spell and want to get back into Lucid Dreaming.

As I went to bed last night, I did say, "I am going to have a lucid dream tonight," stressing on the "am" part. So then I wake up around 6:20 or so this morning, I go to the bathroom and get some water, then I headed back to bed. I started to think that I could attempt a WILD while saying something along the lines of, "I am going to have a lucid dream right now." I first tried on my back, couldn't focus on my back, then on my right side, still no go. Then when I tried my left side, it was almost spontaneous, I sort of "dropped" into the dream. It has happened to me before, and it is so fast and instant, I have come to call it a "lucid rush" because I was awake one instant, but didn't go through SP or HI, but instantly entered my dream, then I opened my eyes and it was indeed a dream. A bit unstable at first but I got the hang of it. ^^

Later on as the morning progressed and I was having fun, I woke up several times. I continued to use the same mantra and did sort of a DEILD or chaining technique, and reentered the dream maybe 3 or 4 times.

All I can say is, this really worked for me, and I'm glad because I have been sort of stuck for that past several months or so. Thanks again.

#6:  Author: BenDrummin58 PostPosted: Mon 15 Mar, 2010
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Congratulations Sverak! That's awesome! ^^

I'm glad you're able to now see how easy it really is. And thank you and everybody else for the positive feedback--it means a lot. Keep up the good work!

#7:  Author: mattias PostPosted: Mon 15 Mar, 2010
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Ben, thanks for your answers wink

I'll give it some practice. I've been thinking about "I am conscious in my dreams" or "I am lucid in my dreams". If that doesn't work I'll try something more specific.

#8:  Author: FawnBrown PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar, 2010
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I belive that works.I KNOW it works.How can you do something that you do not want?

I am Fawn and my dreams are lucid!

#9:  Author: Namine PostPosted: Thu 18 Mar, 2010
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This is a really great post, Ben! I think the fact that you mentioned we can control if we have lucid dreams or not makes this idea so inspiring. I really want to take into concideration all the wise words I've just read as I'm falling asleep tonight, and just finally try working on becoming one with my subconcious. I would certainly like to share any results, so I'll be posting back soon. Happy dreaming everyone! ^^

#10:  Author: matt94 PostPosted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010
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I used this method for the past few nights...no lucids yet, but i have remembered more and more dreams each night extremly vividly, now if i can get my sleep schedule back on track i KNOW i am close to a lucid!!

...oh ya, I am Matt and I am a Lucid Dreamer and will remember all my dreams


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#11:  Author: Lolz4All PostPosted: Fri 19 Mar, 2010
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Awesome! Great talk, agreed with "want to want" part.

I am Oleg and my Dreams are Lucid!

#12:  Author: Vampirism45 PostPosted: Sat 20 Mar, 2010
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This is an awesome guide! I'm going try this tech tonight! So... I AM Kevin (Vampirism45 isn't my real name of course tounge2) and I AM a Lucid Dreamer, and therefore I AM going to have a lucid dream tonight.

#13:  Author: Leeh PostPosted: Sat 20 Mar, 2010
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I'm an adventurer, an explorer, and a Lucid dreamer.

#14:  Author: Presence of Light PostPosted: Sun 21 Mar, 2010
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Bendrummin I am grateful for your post,

before i read all of it I want to contribute someting very important,

all of our residual self image is stored in sensing that this world and our self is real,
in altered states of perception we are free to re-create ourselves,

and i would like to discuss how to stay in that state, a childhood state of purity where everything is new and there is nothing to learn but what we choose to experience,

i think it has a lot to do with alpha/theta brainwaves , meditation, yoga,

if you think about the matrix where morpheus is taking neo for a walk in the city and he keeps running into people

, when we go into the world we are taught how to suppress parts of ourselves, even usually told DREAMS AREN'T REAL, which means that its impossible to be a lucid dreamer and explore a very real reality we go to every night until we change our perceptions about what dreams are

so,

pose pragmatic solutions in order to be in a "free mind" so that we can choose to experience reality the way we wish :
vegan diet ( high bliss, high vibration foods, as we are what we eat )
yoga,
hypnosis, meditation, tai chi,
philosophy, deep thinking, orgone, crystals,

lucid living

our next phase of evolution will come quickly , and will be about reclaiming our blissfulness and happiness, it will involve around veganism, incredibly high vibration nutrition, and a huge array of healing arts, a renaissance

#15:  Author: Lord Antares PostPosted: Sun 21 Mar, 2010
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Sverak wrote:
I would like to say that this has helped me quite a lot. Last night I read this post, it made everything seem much easier. Thanks Ben for this, I have been on an over 2 month dry spell and want to get back into Lucid Dreaming.


Hey, watch your words grin

Anyway...yeah, I knew this, I read it in NLP related books and articles.Thanks for the post anyways.

Your subconscious mind is more powerful than most people think.
Of course, mattias, no limits, as I already said somewhere else tounge1

Wording is important, because your subconscious mind takes no negations.
If you say ''I am not a lucid dreamer'', it's like you said ''I am a lucid dreamer.''

Or, if you say ''I will no longer have normal dreams'', it's like you said ''I will have normal dreams''.

Like Ben said, don't say ''will'', say ''am'' (all tho I noticed you used ''am going to'', which is similar to ''will'', eh?).

If you say something in future tense, who knows when it could happen, but...

If you say something in present simple tense, it is to become the present.I AM.

Period.

#16:  Author: Dreamghost PostPosted: Sun 21 Mar, 2010
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"(all tho I noticed you used ''am going to'', which is similar to ''will'', eh?).

If you say something in future tense, who knows when it could happen, but... "
and whats about "i am going... tonight"? Thats present or a clear point in the future. Or?

#17:  Author: Martz PostPosted: Sun 21 Mar, 2010
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Lord Antares wrote:
Sverak wrote:
I would like to say that this has helped me quite a lot. Last night I read this post, it made everything seem much easier. Thanks Ben for this, I have been on an over 2 month dry spell and want to get back into Lucid Dreaming.


Hey, watch your words grin

Anyway...yeah, I knew this, I read it in NLP related books and articles.Thanks for the post anyways.

Your subconscious mind is more powerful than most people think.
Of course, mattias, no limits, as I already said somewhere else tounge1

Wording is important, because your subconscious mind takes no negations.
If you say ''I am not a lucid dreamer'', it's like you said ''I am a lucid dreamer.''

Or, if you say ''I will no longer have normal dreams'', it's like you said ''I will have normal dreams''.

Like Ben said, don't say ''will'', say ''am'' (all tho I noticed you used ''am going to'', which is similar to ''will'', eh?).

If you say something in future tense, who knows when it could happen, but...

If you say something in present simple tense, it is to become the present.I AM.

Period.


Now that I reread my post and then read yours, it appears I had forgot about what I wrote there. shy2

No big deal though, I got the idea of what it was telling me and successfully used it for one night, however. It seemed to have been totally random, my focus unfortunately, isn't really devoted to lucid dreaming and on most nights, I'd be lucky to even remember a normal dream.

I understand the idea of that it is simply your will and subconscious, but I do have a hard time really comprehending the implications of such things, it is hard for me to attempt, in a way, I don't know how to make anything easier.

I guess it was a fluke that one night when I posted that, that is what it seems like anyway, because I'm having no luck otherwise. sadblauw


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#18:  Author: FawnBrown PostPosted: Sun 21 Mar, 2010
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This really works...I almost had a lucid dream but i got to excited cry

#19:  Author: mattias PostPosted: Mon 22 Mar, 2010
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I usually have good results with auto-suggestion, but using "I AM" really helps! Like A LOT! grin

#20:  Author: Sweet Dream PostPosted: Mon 22 Mar, 2010
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thanks for this great post.
one thing i hear in this is that it's important to believe what i'm saying;
that is as important as the words themselves
hidden doubts will sabotage my efforts.
i get it...

#21:  Author: BenDrummin58 PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010
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Lord Antares wrote:
Like Ben said, don't say ''will'', say ''am'' (all tho I noticed you used ''am going to'', which is similar to ''will'', eh?).

That's a good point, Lord Antares. Personally, I don't see it as a conflict for myself; however, if it seems like something that doesn't specifically get the point accross to your subconscious (which it doesn't since you mentioned it), I encourage you to avoid "am going to" and anything relating to future tense.

I'm glad to hear all of the positive feedback from everybody. I do hope it can help you out in more ways than just lucid dreaming--I know it has for me!

#22:  Author: Lord Antares PostPosted: Tue 23 Mar, 2010
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Well, I always use the present simple tense so that's no problem...I just mentioned wink5

#23:  Author: Lucid76092 PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010
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Amazing post. I feel like this is going to help me come out of my 2-4 year lucid dreaming drought.

No. This post will get me out of the drought.

Mind over matter.

#24:  Author: teilnehmer PostPosted: Sat 27 Mar, 2010
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Hello,

this is my first posting in this forum and i hope I can add some useful things to this topic! colgate

I'm very happy about your post, Ben! colgate It gives me many stuff to think about and to influence my life. I feel, it is very useful to me.

Perhaps I can add some personal thoughts, in which I relate to some previous posts:

mattias wrote:
- is it possible to "ask for too much"? (like "I am able to have long and vivid lucid dreams where I'm very conscious every night" or something like that...)


Sweet Dream wrote:
thanks for this great post.
one thing i hear in this is that it's important to believe what i'm saying;
that is as important as the words themselves
hidden doubts will sabotage my efforts.
i get it...


A concept which I think is very useful to deal with, is "truth". You can "aks for too much", if this, what you are asking for, is completely unrealistic. For example, you might say "I invent a time-machine." If you say so, this might be a useful illusion and helps you to learn many things about physics and to become a good physician, but it is an illusion and therefore a bad suggestion in my eyes. But if you say "I am a great physician", then you are right, because potentially you are a good physician. It lies in your possibilities. Maybe you don't have enough time and motivation to advance your abilities and to overcome possible resistances and maybe, you doesn't win the nobelprice and doesn't become professor ("great" is a relative word!), but this doesn't change my conclusion.
And because, we all have the possibilities to have extremly vivid and lucid dreams, we have extremly and lucid dreams. The only thing, we must do, we must accept that this is true! colgate
If you have underconcsious doubts, don't worry about it! Say to you "I have no doubts." This is the truth. And the truth doesn't need force. If you know something is true, your doubts will disappear automatically. Maybe there will be some anxious splits of thoughts, but they aren't important, they are meaningless.

PS: I'm Mirko and I have extremly vivid und lucid dreams.

#25:  Author: Colors PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010
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wahaha Ben, thank you, you made me break my bad luck in having LD, which was simply, the fact that I forgot that autosuggestion works the best for me !!!

With those simple words, I am going to have a lucid dream during this nap, I made it ^^ First of course I was falling asleep, then I noticed this and decided to repeat the mantra, and it worked ! Thanks a lot !!

#26:  Author: Lord Antares PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010
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teilnehmer wrote:

PS: I'm Mirko and I have extremly vivid und lucid dreams.


What the hell?

I am Mirko :D

#27:  Author: #Six PostPosted: Thu 20 May, 2010
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Great post Ben,

This is my kind of thinking ^^ I know I posted something about hypnosis and affirmations on here a long time ago.

One night, over 6 years ago shortly after I found ld4all, I was walking around outside at night feeling miserable. I was down that I wasn't lucid dreaming. I really Wanted to lucid dream! < and I would tell myself this, but it wasn't happening, you know.

Then spontaneously, I just said out loud to myself, " Forget it! I do Not want to lucid dream. In fact I hope I don't lucid ream tonight. I hate lucid dreaming! I really hope I Don't have a lucid dream!"
-That night I lucid dreamed big time.

Well, this was reverse psychology actually. As I saw that the opposite of my wants was what was happening, but most importantly, it is What You Are SAYING to yourself. and How you say it.

So Is it true that I desire to be lucid dreaming when I got to bed after I type this? Yes. So then truthfully, with my heart and my soul, I say this out loud:

I Am Lucid Dreaming -right Now! wiske
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#28:  Author: LUCY777 PostPosted: Wed 09 Jun, 2010
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i AM going to have a lucid dream by thursday. Thanks ben.

#29:  Author: Ambsi PostPosted: Thu 10 Jun, 2010
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I told myself: "In 5 hours I will realize I'm dreaming."

Got lucid the same night smile Thanks Ben for these inspiring posts!

#30:  Author: Dani1202 PostPosted: Fri 11 Jun, 2010
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I AM lucid! I KNOW I'm deaming!

Ich BIN luzid! Ich WEISS ich träume!

おれわ ルしーど だ (Ore wa rushiido da)

Writing it in english, german and japanese shouldn't hurt! mrgeen

#31:  Author: BenDrummin58 PostPosted: Mon 14 Jun, 2010
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Keep it up guys smile . It's almost too easy to get what you want, now.

#32:  Author: KauaiDreamer PostPosted: Mon 14 Jun, 2010
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BenDrummin58 wrote:
Keep it up guys smile . It's almost too easy to get what you want, now.
Haha, guess the law of attraction works!
I am KauaiDreamer a strong lucid dreamer who can heal when lucid. lucid
How's that for an affirmation?

#33:  Author: #Six PostPosted: Mon 14 Jun, 2010
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KauaiDreamer wrote:
I am KauaiDreamer a strong lucid dreamer who can heal when lucid. How's that for an affirmation?

Great. smile It is in the present moment.

A few days ago I repeated to myself many times for a couple of days:
"I am Lucid Dreaming."
Yesterday, in a dream I was at first unconsciously involved in a situation when I said to myself, "I Am Lucid Dreaming." And was so Lucid.

#34:  Author: Cirnol64 PostPosted: Tue 15 Jun, 2010
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I read the "Forming a Relationship with your Subconscious" and ever since I said "In 7 hours I will realize I am dreaming" I've been having lucid moments for s few seconds and then I forget I'm dreaming again or I don't care enough because I want to see what happens in my normal dream.
(Side note: The night I said that, I had a nightmare after a long time and actually saved myself from a terrible fate :D )

#35:  Author: matt8690 PostPosted: Tue 15 Jun, 2010
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Great post Ben. Lately I have been stressing the importance of telling myself that "I will have a lucid dream" instead of using the phrase, "I am a lucid dreamer". I am going to give this a try every time I do a reality check, or whenever I remember this post, and also incorporate it into my WBTB tonight to see how it works. Thanks again Ben, this has really changed my perspective on how to ask for a lucid dream.

I am Matt, and I am a lucid dreamer.

#36: Masterful Author: iammoto PostPosted: Wed 16 Jun, 2010
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I AM a lucid dreamer.

I AM a god who co-creates the reality around him with the universe.

I AM able to be lucid while performing extended experiments in the dreamstate.

I AM able to master WILD's.

What about "can".

Namaste

#37:  Author: Lucid_Sockhat PostPosted: Wed 16 Jun, 2010
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I do believe this post has reached "Epic Awesome" status. ^^

#38:  Author: Ambsi PostPosted: Wed 16 Jun, 2010
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I have a question...
Lately I've been trying to induce more lucid dreams with the "In ... hours" line, but it's not working quite well xD I keep waking up at 4-5 o' clock in the morning, but that is when my visualized "timer" should reach 0 and I'm supposed to realize I'm dreaming.
Even when I still have some time left (like last night), it's still not enough to fall asleep again and start dreaming.

Well, I can't exactly get lucid when I'm not even dreaming! Should I use shorter intervals? :\ I'm worried that the REM-sleep won't be very... good so early in the morning.
Any advice?

Edit: Oh gosh eek2 I think I just realized what I'm doing wrong Whenever I said "realize I'm dreaming" I associated that with feeling my surroundings... And my surroundings at that moment were my bedsheets and my pillow! lach1
Gosh I'm such an idiot Next time I'll try visualizing myself in a dream, hahaha xD

#39:  Author: Lumbar PostPosted: Tue 17 Aug, 2010
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Amazing post simply amazing after reading this Post i had figured out I always do the I am check im always telling people Why do you say you cannot do it? if its still hard I sometimes go Why not? Why shouldnt i be able to do this? Now i am going to take this AND fit it into my mind to Have a lucid dream i Have had many lucid dreams But i will make them more controllable and to do what i wish to do in my dreams, It can happen and it will. smile dragon

#40:  Author: PSCahill PostPosted: Wed 18 Aug, 2010
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This is a fabulous post! The very first lucid dream I had, I found out how important it is to be able to command your unconscious mind, to tell it who is boss. I woke up inside of a dream, sitting up in a balcony of a theatre, and I just watched, fascinated, the players on the stage...I knew it was not real life...but at some point, I started clapping, and said that is so wonderful! The stage players all turned, looked at me, and said, How did SHE get in here? You aren't allowed in here! I got kicked out, and woke up immediately. Darn~ Took me a lot of lucid dreams to tell those dream characters to back off, I was in control now. I showed them...I would just snap my fingers and make the one arguing with me disappear! I said, who else wants to challenge my authority? They pretty much let me run the show after that! Fun! It's YOUR mind!

#41:  Author: Lucid_Sockhat PostPosted: Thu 19 Aug, 2010
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PSCahill wrote:
The stage players all turned, looked at me, and said, How did SHE get in here? You aren't allowed in here! I got kicked out, and woke up immediately.


lach2

#42:  Author: Don Anonymus PostPosted: Sun 29 Aug, 2010
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Eh... wow ? I'm shocked ! I gotta read this every day until it gets in my mind. I forget things easily. I'll note this URL somewhere.

Thousand thanks for sharing such a deep but simple theory with us !

And BenDrummin58, feel happy for making so many other people happy smile !

#43:  Author: utah PostPosted: Sun 05 Dec, 2010
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Great stuff Ben, this and the thread from 2006 as well.
I realized that my mantras are bad so i will use one of yours (At (insert AM time here) tomorrow, I will realize I'm dreaming ) for a while and then i will see how it works.
Thanks Ben ! tumbsuplinkswitteduim

#44:  Author: LucidLife74 PostPosted: Wed 08 Dec, 2010
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I just want to say that this is going to help me tremendously!!! Thank you soooo much!

~I AM a lucid dreamer!~

#45:  Author: eltane PostPosted: Wed 19 Jan, 2011
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Thanks alot for posting this useful information.

I am a lucid dreamer!

#46:  Author: avizdreamin PostPosted: Wed 19 Jan, 2011
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excellent post ben...

very well put...

#47:  Author: Dacardi PostPosted: Sat 26 Feb, 2011
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#Six wrote:
Then spontaneously, I just said out loud to myself, " Forget it! I do Not want to lucid dream. In fact I hope I don't lucid ream tonight. I hate lucid dreaming! I really hope I Don't have a lucid dream!"
-That night I lucid dreamed big time.

Well, this was reverse psychology actually.

Actually it was direct psychology, because your subconsciousness does not understand negations.
When you say: "I do NOT want to lucid dream." it understands: "I DO want to lucid dream."
Alright i know, there is still the w-word in the sentence. So why had it worked?

Here i would like to introduce some new inputs to this thread:

1. Emotions are crucial!
As you made your statement with a good portion of emotion, it was burned into your subconscious memory with more efficiency. One can make use of this fact by visualising emotional situations while programming your mind.
eg.: Say: "I am a lucid dreamer!" and imagine a big crowd cheering at you. A hammer hitting your finger also works great, as you are programed to save painful memories for protection. colgate The emotion doesn't really matter, it just has to be strong!

2. There has been talk about future tense in this thread. Using present gives the visualisation some substance. OK, but take it to the next level!

Imagine yourself in the future thinking back at the great night full of LDs you had (that's actually about to start).
This may work, as it creates an artificial irreversible memory in your mind. Your subconsciousness will accept it more likely as a fact because its past and there is nothing it can do about it.

I hope this helps. I am actually just about to become a dreamer, but have been using those techniques for a long time now. Quit smoking was a peace of cake colgate

I am Dacardi and last night, after writing this post i had my first LD. It was absolutely great. I still get goosebumps when i think about it. Get it? colgate

#48:  Author: Rhewin PostPosted: Wed 02 Mar, 2011
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Dacardi wrote:

Actually it was direct psychology, because your subconsciousness does not understand negations.
When you say: "I do NOT want to lucid dream." it understands: "I DO want to lucid dream."
Alright i know, there is still the w-word in the sentence. So why had it worked?

You know, I've heard this a million times and have yet to see a convincing study on it other than through various self-help and hypnotism websites. The thing that gets me is why would it not understand a negative. For instance, if I tell myself "I will not forget to pay my bills," I still rememeber. I don't train myself to forget. No, I really don't buy that theory. But if someone can give me a good case study or the actual science behind it, then I'll support it 100%.

#49: To Not or not to Not Author: Rainspider PostPosted: Sun 27 Mar, 2011
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I studied Hypnotherapy a few years ago and this was explained by the mind using its imagination to picture an event regardless of the negative in the sentence.

Part of the mind, we were told, experiences the event as real even if you are only imagining it which is why worrying can increase stress about something. Real experience is not distinguished from the imagined one as far as the emotional charge and stressful impact is concerned. By the way, I don't necessarily put this theory out there as an advocate of it but simply because it's sort of relevant.

That probably muddies the waters even further but it's a fascinating thread nonetheless.

Quote:

You know, I've heard this a million times and have yet to see a convincing study on it other than through various self-help and hypnotism websites. The thing that gets me is why would it not understand a negative. For instance, if I tell myself "I will not forget to pay my bills," I still rememeber. I don't train myself to forget. No, I really don't buy that theory. But if someone can give me a good case study or the actual science behind it, then I'll support it 100%.

#50:  Author: littleRain PostPosted: Sun 15 May, 2011
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i tried this yesterday. for the last few months my dreams were sparse, bland, and with perhaps just a fragments of a scene, and last night i had at least 4 very vivid dreams full of colour and emotion. i even woke up after each dream voluntarily, just through saying
'I AM a lucid dreamer' (meaningfully).
i don't know whether or not it is because its just that i want to lucid dream again after years of neglect, but i will stick with this and see where it leads, for me this is a huge step from virtually no dreaming to vivid just out of reach lucidity.
a big thanks for the topic!

#51:  Author: OctavACoS PostPosted: Sun 22 May, 2011
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Wow, thank you Ben! I never really thought about this. I think this works well with emotions, I was pretty miserable today until i realized.... I AM happy!

#52:  Author: optimize PostPosted: Sun 29 May, 2011
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This is so true, kinda reminds me of Buddha.

“He is able who thinks he is able”.
or
“Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment”.

#53:  Author: jburrowes PostPosted: Sun 31 Jul, 2011
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Great post Ben!

A friend of mine quit smoking by lying to himself. He'd tried and tried to quit before but hadn't been able to for any length of time.

How did he lie to himself?

He simply said to himself "I am a non-smoker," - every time he reached for and then smoked a cigarette. It's important to note that he didn't berate/beat himself up for having a cigarette. If he felt like having one he did so without judgement.

He did this for I don't know how long until one day, he said, he just stopped smoking. His wife continued to smoke her head off but he became, and remained, the non-smoker he'd been telling himself that he was.

He was about 55 at the time and is 71 now.

So, now that you've jogged my memory about this, umm, let's call it a 'mind trick,' I will start applying it toward lucid dreaming.

Thanks for the post.

JB

#54:  Author: WolfTracker PostPosted: Wed 10 Aug, 2011
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Thank you for the post, now I realize that it's 100% true. Just two nights ago, I went to sleep thinking fervently that "the next time I will dream, I will know it." And guess what happened that night? I had a dream, a non-lucid one, where I was getting ready for bed and kept saying to myself that "the next time I will dream, I will know it." smile

The funny thing is, I woke up in the middle of the night, as I usually do. Logged the dream into my DJ, chuckled at the irony in it, and went back to sleep saying my will-do mantra. No surprise, that the second dream I had was pretty much the same as the first. smile smile

So from now on I firmly resolve to MILD only in the present.
I am Oleg and I am a dreamer, lucid and aware.

#55:  Author: optimize PostPosted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011
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BEST

ARTICLE

EVER

#56: Wow great thread Author: friendlyguy PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep, 2011
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I have been lurking ever since i stumbled upon this site so please forgive the 1st post. I remember on tv on the DR.Oz show that this guy was talking about when people walk, and they go to pass a hot girl or other people, the person walking is so worked up on trying not to walk wierd or stumble, that they just keep tellin themselves "please dont stumble, dont walk wierd" and he said ur brain sees it as you saying "stumble, walk wierd" so your chances of walking wierd or stumbling are increased (keyword- Increased)

lol Man I really got into lucid dreaming months ago, one time I had lucid dreams 3 nights in a row! anyway! lately I cant even remember my dreams, BUT when i did, I realized I was never lucid, BUT I did get back into a dream 3 times althought I may have been partially lucid I was just so amped up on trying to meet this one girl that when I was 50% sleep/awake, I kept trying to ignore Reality and focus on the dream and it snapped me back in.

ANYWAY! just by reading this I started writing I am hoping for the best

#57: This article reminds me of something I learned in college... Author: DreamscapeAdventurer PostPosted: Wed 28 Sep, 2011
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Great article. I am definitely going to implement your "subconscious programming" methods alongside other lucid dream inducing techniques and reality checks during my day. Your point about not saying that you want something but rather saying that you already can do something or already have something reminded me of something that I learned in college. What I learned in college is called "Goal Displacement" and it basically means that if you are in a class and your goal is to receive a A+ grade, you might not attain that goal and might even cause yourself to not get the A at all because of the stress and pressure you put on yourself and because of forces beyond your control that might screw you over or what not. Instead you should desire to learn, and by learning the subject well you will do well on tests and on homework assignments and will probably find yourself receiving the A+ easier than if you had only tried to get an A+. I always found it to be a cool theory. Anyways, great article and thanks for the lucid dreaming tips!

Dream Adventurously,

- Dreamscape Adventurer

#58: Nicely Put Author: trogdor PostPosted: Wed 28 Sep, 2011
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The more i think about this article the more it makes sense. I used to hate myself because people made fun of me and i was gay and blah blah blah blah. I used to want to not hate myself so much, but it never happened until i started getting into the "i am" mindset that you talked about. I will try this when i go to sleep tonight.

#59:  Author: friendlyguy PostPosted: Sat 01 Oct, 2011
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sweet so i have every night been telling myself i WILL have a lucid dream, occasionally id write it down, the night i did it, i actually remembered my dream! so my dream recall improved for sure, after a couple days (today) I just had a lucid dream! it was so odd!!! ill post it up on a dream journal (via copy paste) hey how do i have it so i can be alerted if anyone replys to my post, or so i can have all the threads i posted on become listed?

#60:  Author: optimize PostPosted: Sat 01 Oct, 2011
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friendlyguy wrote:
sweet so i have every night been telling myself i WILL have a lucid dream, occasionally id write it down, the night i did it, i actually remembered my dream! so my dream recall improved for sure, after a couple days (today) I just had a lucid dream! it was so odd!!! ill post it up on a dream journal (via copy paste) hey how do i have it so i can be alerted if anyone replys to my post, or so i can have all the threads i posted on become listed?


Click on ''view your posts'' at the forum index.

#61:  Author: SoundOfDrums PostPosted: Fri 07 Oct, 2011
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Sorry, was lurking about and saw this thread. Incredible info. Will absolutely give this a try!

#62:  Author: PerfectSense PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan, 2012
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I love this post! I will most definetly use this in my life!

My name is Andres and I AM a lucid dreamer.

#63:  Author: baco_bacon PostPosted: Tue 17 Jan, 2012
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:D Awesome post!!! I had my 3rd LD after losing some motivation just by reading this article and putting your words to use. I'll make sure I use these tips for LDing and just life in general.

Thanks!

#64:  Author: Oak PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2012
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Quality reading :D .
Had my first 2 LDs the night before last, and just found this post ^^ . It all makes great sense siiw . I am a SUPER ultra frequent LDer, wooo!!

Thanks everyone.

#65:  Author: SuperAlex PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012
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I am SuperAlex, one of many. I am a lucid dreamer!

#66: Re: I am a Lucid Dreamer: Commanding the Subconscious Mind Author: Archery13157 PostPosted: Sun 19 Aug, 2012
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I need help...

I have been trying this for 3 days with no success... Any advice or tips on how often to repeat the mantras, when to repeat the mantras, etc.,? It would really help, thanks.

Great post, btw! It really helped me grasp what I was doing wrong ! smile

#67:  Author: SomeAccount PostPosted: Fri 21 Jun, 2013
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This post is really inspiring to so many people including me. Everytime i hear about repeating mantras i always think "i want to have a lucid dream" while it should be "I am having a lucid dream tonight". Im going to just that sentence tonight as a MILD and see if it works cause this sounds really logical ;o. Great post anyway thanks smile

#68:  Author: venn99 PostPosted: Sun 06 Oct, 2013
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yea this does sound really logical.. ive been struggling with lucid dreaming now a little over a year with small success here and there. mostly placebo related successes and now i realize why thanks largely in part to this thread. i tried everything under the sun minus somehow making the connection to the subconscious. after trying everything else i knew that the subconscious had to be the final frontier. tried all the supplements, methods etc. sometimes i had successes but only due to the fact that i believed temporarily certain techniques would work. i now know that dictating to your subconscious what you want to experience was all you needed all along. it all makes sense now. thanks

#69:  Author: Aeon234 PostPosted: Sun 06 Oct, 2013
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bookmarked to read later... I'm going through this process at the moment and it's scary, there are certain things I don't want to be in control of such as my heartbeat and breathing, just got to remove the fear and fear of fear itself! Yikes!



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