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#61:  Author: cosmic.iron PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2012
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dB_FTS wrote:
But in SILD we fall asleep very fast so what kind of preparation do we actually do by doing SILD!? ^^

Glad it worked for you smile

As for your question, I honest do not have the answer. It's just through hundreds of case studies we find that doing these simple repetitions combined with fast falling asleep somehow result in dramatic increase in OBE, DILD, and FA afterwards, all without requiring great effort. There are a lot of speculations on why it works but, well, they are just speculations

#62:  Author: dB_FTS PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2012
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Haha, who would say...

Well I'm glad too. I was just surprised because I can't think any real reason why this should work... Like I said I would understand if it was a WILD in question but this...

Ahh it works and that's what matters, happy dreaming!

#63:  Author: cosmic.iron PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2012
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OddDreamingDreamer wrote:
And for anyone who asks, I'm no expert, but I think the most important thing in this technique is to fall asleep comfortably!

OddDreamingDreamer, the advice you gave in the above quote definitely hits the bull's-eye!

#64:  Author: ParanoiDave PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012
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Okay, I attempted this with a nap (even though I'm not good with naps) and I was EXTREMELY close to a LD, in fact the closest I personally think I've ever been. I pretty much performed a WILD using these steps, and it put me in such a trance that I quickly saw a dreamscape forming before me; a very vivid and colorful forest. Either that or it was very detailed HI, I couldn't tell the difference.

Unfortunately, excitement got the best of me, and I snapped out of it.

Anyway, I had yet another quick question:

When you say to "find the most comfortable position," does that mean it is alright to change position after performing the reps, or am I supposed to stay in that position and fall asleep? I was confused when attempting it during a nap because I loved the feeling of the trance I was in and I didn't want to ruin it. I performed the reps on my back but I usually sleep on one of my sides.

#65:  Author: Zzz PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012
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I've tried this technique and I've advanced a lot. ^^

When I looked at my eyebrows with my eyes closed I started to feel weightless, so I began to focus on my body feelings. Then I started to feel like I was swimming in the air. engel2

I was so tired that I fell asleep afterwards. lach2 And when I woke up the first thing I did was to write my "trick" in my DJ. rechterduim omhoog met knipoog

I have to say that this technique is the best I've tried for a beginner like me.

#66:  Author: thebotanyofsouls PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012
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Hello all, first post:

So I'm adapting to polyphasic sleep and learning LD at the same time. I started 3 days ago, napping every 2 hours, 20-40 minute naps (oversleep at least once a day). During this time I experienced my first WILD, and I'm not exactly sure what I did to make it work ... I'd been reading on the technique and it just worked; I was completely lucid as I rode a shopping cart around the grocery store and used the power of my mind to influence the actions of all the people there.

Since then, no success. I am extremely comfortable with sleep paralysis, have extensive meditative experience, and find that the one thing that's bothering me is saliva in my mouth ... this isn't something I notice while sitting, but laying down it feels like I might choke. Suggestions?

Back to the topic: The reason I am commenting is that this technique is similar to meditative techniques I've been taught where one scans the body from head to toe, observing all sensations (visual, auditorial, and touch-sense). To answer the person who asked about the body-scan, I recommend thinking about touching every surface on your body with an area roughly 5cm in diameter (smaller will take a long time), starting either at the head or the feet and working your way to the opposite end. If you find that you are able to scan the body quickly, try working with a smaller focus area - maybe 2cm in diameter instead? (I think in terms of fingertips, and usually work at 2 fingertips width starting from the head and working to the toes). Don't forget the skin behind the ears, the ridges within the ears, the armpits, the parts of the body that are against the surface on the ground, behind the knees, and the skin between the fingers and the toes.

I'm going to try this technique in 1h, then every 2h after that. I'll post in the morning to keep from clogging the forum : )

#67:  Author: cosmic.iron PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012
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ParanoiDave wrote:
When you say to "find the most comfortable position," does that mean it is alright to change position after performing the reps, or am I supposed to stay in that position and fall asleep? I was confused when attempting it during a nap because I loved the feeling of the trance I was in and I didn't want to ruin it. I performed the reps on my back but I usually sleep on one of my sides.

ParanoiDave, it is okay to change positions. In fact that's what I normally do. I like to sleep on my left side. When I'm working on the exercise I lay flat, then upon finish I roll to the left side so I can quickly fall asleep. It is important that you feel comfortable in either position though.

Zzz wrote:
I have to say that this technique is the best I've tried for a beginner like me.

Thank you Zzz, glad it helps. When you felt you were swimming, which actually happens quite commonly among people, you should have stopped the repetition and focused on increasing that sensation. My own experience is when this swimming sensation occurs, it will eventually rock you back and forth so hard that you literally get ejected out of your body! Very cool trick! smile
thebotanyofsouls wrote:

To answer the person who asked about the body-scan, I recommend thinking about touching every surface on your body with an area roughly 5cm in diameter

Thanks thebotanyofsouls, the advice you gave on how to scan for body sensations is very useful!

#68:  Author: sungodd PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012
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I came across something quite interesting the other day while reading a book. its a induction for hypnosis that came about quite sometime ago by the wife of one of the most famous hypnotists around, betty erickson. For the most part you focus on visual, audio, touch a few times similar to sild, but first you focus on external factors. The shirt on your back for touch, something you hear, back of your eyelids or object if eyes are open, then move onto internal, see something you imagine, feel something you imagine, hear something you imagine. Thought it might give you a few ideas on improving or perfecting your sild method. I am sure you can find more info about it on google if you are interested.

#69:  Author: elnaureth PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012
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sungodd, I already mentioned that technique in this thread. smile

#70:  Author: mattias PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012
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cosmic.iron wrote:
My own experience is when this swimming sensation occurs, it will eventually rock you back and forth so hard that you literally get ejected out of your body! Very cool trick! smile


This is exactly what happened to me last night although I wasn't doing SILD, it was just luck, I guess.

Quick question, what if you fall asleep during the repetitions? Is that a problem or does it only depend on how many repetitions I was able to make before falling asleep?

#71:  Author: cosmic.iron PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012
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mattias wrote:
cosmic.iron wrote:
My own experience is when this swimming sensation occurs, it will eventually rock you back and forth so hard that you literally get ejected out of your body! Very cool trick! smile


This is exactly what happened to me last night although I wasn't doing SILD, it was just luck, I guess.

Quick question, what if you fall asleep during the repetitions? Is that a problem or does it only depend on how many repetitions I was able to make before falling asleep?
It's perfectly okay to fall asleep while doing it . Although it probably means you are too tired, and that could have an impact on the result.

#72:  Author: thebotanyofsouls PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012
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Well, my adaptation continues, slowly. I can tell my circadian rhythm is being broken up, and I am starting to REALLY crave naps at certain times of the day (like now).

but I still can't get SILD/WILD down. Here's the standard experience (they are all unique, but this is the common trend)

lay down. relax tension from my jaw, from my shoulders, from my hips, from my feet. focus on the back of my eyelids for 1 breath, then listen to sounds for 1 breath, then observe sensation throughout the body for one breath. Repeat this cycle with 2 breaths, three breaths, four breaths, so on. By four breaths per sense I am "comfortably numb"/experiencing mild sleep paralysis, and I continue on. Thoughts will come in, I bring my attention back to the breath and then continue the cycle where I left off. By 6-8 breaths per sense I am fully paralyzed, observing steady tingling sensations, and there is 0 hypnagogic imagery behind my eyelids - just pretty colors. I hear a high pitched ringing noise, but it's not overwhelming. my senses will begin to draw inward for a second, but snap back out with the next breath ... this goes on and on until my alarm rings and I got very little rest.

Suggestions on how to get from there to the senses draw inward/hypnagogic imagery/crazy ringing sound/amazing vibratory sensations?

#73:  Author: cosmic.iron PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012
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My feeling is you are doing it too rhythmically. Don't count the breathe. You don't want precise timing. The idea is to do it in the most relaxed manner... let your mind drift... Even though the duration of each repetition does not need to be the same -- as you drift away the later repetitions might take seem forever LOL, you don't want this intentional shorter-to-longer progression.

About the various sensations, if they happen vividly then you should pause and focus on increasing them. Ignore the minor ones though! The idea of SILD is to prep your mind/body for phase entrance AFTER you fall asleep. WILD during the repetition stage is only a side-effect and should not be sought after. Do SILD in the most relaxed manner, don't spend too much time. Let's it do wonders for you after you fall asleep. SILD should not cause you sleeless nights. If it does, then you are changing it to a different technique. Hope this helps. smile

#74:  Author: thebotanyofsouls PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012
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That helps a lot actually : ) I'll let go of the counting idea and just let my attention go between the three main areas of sensory input. More to come!

#75: Re: Sensations Initiated Lucid Dream (SILD) Author: Tyharo23 PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012
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cosmic.iron wrote:

Interesting question! When I wrote "head to toe" I wasn't really being literal... but you did raise a very valid question and your findings might have some significance! I'll go back to my forum and ask them to do some experiment on this. smile

An update regarding this...
I think it's not so much the order in which you do it (going from head to toe, from toe to head or whatever) but just finishing the cycle appropriatly...

It for me feels more natural to treat the head as the final point so when I reached my head for me the cycle was finished...wich caused me to fall asleep deeper...
The head to toe failed for me because I didn't see my toes as an (appropriate) end point...so that when I reached my toe it didn't feel like I finished the cycle...

But last night it did work...it doesn't even matter which point you choose for that matter...as long as you treat that point as the final point (and so reaching it finishes the cycle) it seems to work...
So it is more something like: Everytime when I reach point X (f.e. head) --> Cycle finished --> Fall asleep deeper...
I see it is used in a self-hypnosis technique too...I guess that is what actually is going on...lol...

I hope I explained it clear enough...if not...say so and I will give it another try... wink



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