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bass lord
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

Does this technology make the traditional WILD and MILD techniques obsolete or are they to be used toghether?

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milod789
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

bass lord wrote:
Does this technology make the traditional WILD and MILD techniques obsolete or are they to be used toghether?


No, the Nova Dreamer (and nova dreamer clones) would not make MILD or WILD obsolete.

While some of these types of devices might help you if you are new or an experienced lucid dreamer recovering from a dry spell, lots of people seem to report that the devises are not effective in the long term. After a while your brain gets used to the external stimuli and stops sending the cues into your dreams. So to continue having lucid dreams on a regular basis you would still have to learn a self induction technique. Moreover, these are not virtual reality machines that automatically give you lucid dreams. You still have to train yourself to recognize the clues the device sends you.


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Sepultura123
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

So stop the machine and start with a clean and simple way. You will have better result at the end then with so many wasting technique.

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Down Ander
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Mar, 2006  Reply with quote

Sounds very interesting I'll read the whole topic later first I go and sleep.I changed my Day and Night Rythim and since I done that I dream a lot more maybe it can help you if you don't have work or a job that doesn't allow that.

greetings Down Ander


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lucidfl0
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NOVA pro? electronic devices>?
PostPosted: Thu 27 Apr, 2006  Reply with quote

<mod>Direct links towards vendors are not permitted according to the forum rules. Link towards Dreammaker suppressed. Then I merged this post about Dreammaker device into the existing BIG Dreammaker topic.</mod>

I saw here a movie about electric devices did some one evry try this?
Did some one read about this, hear about this, have any more information?


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lucidfl0
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Apr, 2006  Reply with quote

coul't we make one ourselfes with a rats hair and a dead fish?
no of course not omg..
But maby with one of those disco lights what reacts to sound then set this special alarm clock so we get the specials


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macfiddler
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REM-Dreamer experiences? Action against Bruce Gelerter?
PostPosted: Thu 29 Jun, 2006  Reply with quote

iadr wrote:
I'd suggest filing a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission here in the U.S. in addition to a personal lawsuit.
http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/consumer.htm
Click on file a complaint and fill out the form. Although they won't work on getting you a refund personally, they will shut this guy down.

Also, if you go to Google and search for Internet Fraud you will find several organizations that will help you in putting some heat on this company.


I paid (and lost) over AU$700 to this bloke (I ordered the pro model over a year ago, and since then e-mails have been ignored and promises made over the phone - yes, I had to phone him from Australia - have been broken, and I don't even have a basic model to be going on with because I didn't want to pay two lots of US$100 postage charges, so I told him to hold off until the pro version was complete, then after a year of being ignored, a phone call produced apologies plus the offer of immediate free postage on a basic model, which never arrived, and the free postage wasn't traceable, so I can't prove he never sent it ... grrrhhh). So, if anyone's planning anything with regard to a group action, count me in, if it means getting money back, or even goods - but not if it means spending more; I can't afford it. I'm in Australia though, which might be an obstacle.

I filed a complaint as suggested above, but as for the money ... well, it's far too late to get it back through AMEX, although my husband is still working with them on it.

As wellnesstools no longer has online cart facilities, I assume Bruce's been blackballed by the cc companies already.

On a lighter note, does anyone have any experience of the Polish offering, the REM-Dreamer, yet? I did read a couple of preliminary good reports when it first came on the market, but my husband is being extremely sceptical about lucid dreaming masks in general in the light of our experience with the American con-artist, so I'd like to have something to counter his prejudice with ... if there is anything...


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milod789
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Re: REM-Dreamer experiences? Action against Bruce Gelerter?
PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

macfiddler wrote:

On a lighter note, does anyone have any experience of the Polish offering, the REM-Dreamer, yet? I did read a couple of preliminary good reports when it first came on the market, but my husband is being extremely sceptical about lucid dreaming masks in general in the light of our experience with the American con-artist, so I'd like to have something to counter his prejudice with ... if there is anything...


Sorry to hear about your experience. I hope you get your money back.

I have not heard any feed back on the polish device at all so I do not know what to tell you there.

If you want to save some $$$ then just get a strobe light and a timer(from k-mart or similar store). The timer plugs into the wall and then you plug the strobe light into the timer. You set the timer to go off at various times in the night like every 90 minutes or something like that. You will have to play with it a lot to get the timing right (to go off when you are in REM sleep). But you will save yourself lots of money.


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Enamored_Spirit
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PostPosted: Thu 06 Jul, 2006  Reply with quote

isn't this topic a bit outdated? hello milod, good to see you.

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