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T.O.Y.E. Method (closed)
PostPosted: Thu 14 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

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Tape-On-Your-Eyelids method...
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Steps: bounce
1-Go to Sleep
2-Take 2 short tape strips and stick 'em to your eyelids horizontally.
3-Don't open your eyes.
4- Sleep normally until...

Theory: looking_anim.gif
Since in the REM sleep state your eyes move rapidly, by having these tape strips stuck on your eyes you should get a tingle sensation while dreaming, doing so you'll get a high chance to get lucid.

Problems: sadblauw
1- You will feel your eyelids someway sticky.

Please!! bow give me some feedback!! i want to know how effective the tech is. smile




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PostPosted: Thu 14 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

Be free to post, i really want to hear your oppinions about the technique.

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

it seems to be a good theory! it's a creative solution! it should work in practice with some people!
although it's not the kind of theory i like i'll probably give it a try if i'm too frustrated! i'm more a lover of the no external factors method(wild mild rc's).
did you invent it?
did you ever try it?


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

phatidico wrote:
it seems to be a good theory! it's a creative solution! it should work in practice with some people!
although it's not the kind of theory i like i'll probably give it a try if i'm too frustrated! i'm more a lover of the no external factors method(wild mild rc's).
did you invent it?

Well i think so...unless that technique of the tape strips has already been done. But i didn't copy anyone it just popped into my mind.
phatisdico wrote:
did you ever try it?

Let's say yes and no; i was doing the technique but i wasn't ready to have the tape strips that night, today im gonna do the technique without giving up... smile

BTW thanks for your presence in the topic! siiw


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi cranberrydude smile,
I haven't tested your method yet and I don't know very much about REM phenomenon but I was wondering : are REM linked to eyelids movements ? Don't eyes move independently from eyelids during REM periods ? Do you mean that during REM periods there would be little eyelids sensible movements ?
Thanks for the info and for the good idea,
Greg


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

Interesting idea! I'll be very interested to hear how well it works.

In answer to Grg's question; REM is about eye movement -- not eye-lid movement. Note; the eye is not perfectly sperical -- especially at the front where the cornea, pupil, iris, lens, etc are, where it is transparent so light can pass through to the retina. This part bulges out a little.

This is why infra-red sensors can measure eye movements just by bouncing an infra-red beam off the eyelid. It's actually bouncing off of (and detecting movement of) the bulge. REM can be seen by the naked eye. That's how REM was discovered in the first place -- Aserinsky first noticed REM while recording the brainwaves (EEGs) of sleeping infants. Until then it was assumed that brainwaves would be uniform throughout sleep, and no one had recorded sleeping adults for long enough to know differently. (Babys have way more REM than adults).


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

interesting tape theory, i'll try it out... though i have a feeling you might be sitting in a corner laughing your *** off at people taping their eyelids before going to sleep wink5 hehehe

Bernard wrote:
(Babys have way more REM than adults).


i always wondered about this... is it because they sleep more? say they get their deep sleep just as fast as everyone does, but because they sleep 16 hours a day, they'd get 6 hours of almost constant rem?
or is it really that if they were to sleep say 8 hours a day, their deep sleep would be significantly lower than a "normal" (average age) human being.


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

Infants have a far higher percentage of REM (50% of total sleeptime for newborns) than adults.

It is generally supposed that this has some connection with learning and memory consolidation (REM/dreaming appear to promote these in adults).


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

If I'm not mistaken, babies have more REM because their brain is not yet fully developed. As a matter of fact, your brain doesn't stop developing until your about 18 or so.
Anywhoo, I'm gonna try this technique. I think you'd definately notice something that could be used as a lucidity cue, at the very least your eyes might feel kinda funny in the dream smile


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

Heh, Nice idea wink5
But I wouldnt be able to sleep with tape on my eyes...


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

Thank you everyone for the support by posting!

Now I do have to fix some things in my TOYE method.
First of all i tried this technique last night and it was the most horrible experience BUT that doesn't mean the technique is a failure, is almost like saying "WILD doesn't work,it causes you to have uncomfortable sensations" just because is not a comfortable technique that doesn't mean it's not good.

Now what i have to fix with this technique is that instead of having the tape strips stuck vertically im gonna change that to have 'em horizontally or with tiny pieces(thanks Elektro) because the way is now is an inferno so try the technique but like im gonna demonstrate now that's a lot better.

Ciao and thanks everyone!


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

Well the conclusion is that the T.O.Y.E is somehow a new original and creative way of getting lucid but just a few very ppl are gonna try this out because of the issues...but at least i did something to help..

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

But what were the results? Did you manage to have a LD with this technique?

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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

Basilus West wrote:
But what were the results? Did you manage to have a LD with this technique?


Well with the old method(vertically) i didn't have any ld but i haven't tried the new method(horizonatlly) completely yet.

If any of you want to do the "new method" and find if it has any good result you can do and tell me... but i don't know i don't think it will work unless you improve the T.O.y.E technique someway.


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

This certainly sounds like a good (and origional idea) but I fear that few people will wish to put tape on their eyes meh. I mean - doesn't it hurt when you pull it off again in the morning?

If I can find any tape in my house (which is actually quite unlikely) I'll give this try though.


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