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The BIG "Was this a LD?" topic - Part II
PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

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I had the most frustrating night! I was successful in recognizing I was dreaming on numerous occasions, but it must have been at a very low level. My dreams were mostly unpleasant, and my level of control over them was nil. In one, I was running through a house with the feeling of being pursued when I realized I was dreaming. But this weird evil cartoon-like creature kept popping up next to me laughing, shaking me, and yelling gibberish. I wasn't afraid, just really angry and annoyed that it kept bothering me, and I couldn't get rid of it. I tried willing it away, but it didn't work. I tried focusing on something in the dream (like a floor or object), which usually increases my lucidity. At one point I yelled, "Go away! I'm lucid right now!" Still didn't work. But tonight, every time I developed a degree of lucidity, there was some weird creature bugging me or chasing me.

I just had to vent. I'm pretty sure I was lucid, albeit at a very low level, but I have a little bit of doubt b/c I had absolutely no control.

Also, something else frequently happens to me if I lose lucidity and a dream fades: everything goes black and I have the sensation that I'm floating kind of upside down and curled up in the fetal position above my body. I just float in the darkness, and it's the most relaxing feeling. Could this be a false awakening of sorts? I'm mentally fully aware, but it feels different from sleep paralysis (my body always feels tingly and heavy in SP)


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi Aodnait!

Most of the times, DC's reactions and appearance will depend on your own emotions, reactions and behavior. For instance, if you run away, they'll chase you. If you're angry, they'll try to exasperate you, etc.

So you have to change your reactions or your lucidity level. You can try to reach a higher level by shouting "More lucidity!" or by performing very simple arithmetics (like counting, doing multiplications). You can also change your behavior, and the most simple way is to ask questions to the DC's : "Hi! Who are you? What are you doing there? Why are you laughing?" It may make them more cooperative, or sometimes "freeze" them.

Another possibility is transforming them. I succeeded in doing this once and transformed a stupid DC who was always following me into my brother. But it seems that some DC's try deliberately to make you lose concentration and lucidity. I don't know what to do in this case... sadblauw (Has somebody a good idea? grin )

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I lose lucidity and a dream fades: everything goes black and I have the sensation that I'm floating kind of upside down and curled up in the fetal position above my body. I just float in the darkness, and it's the most relaxing feeling. Could this be a false awakening of sorts? I'm mentally fully aware, but it feels different from sleep paralysis (my body always feels tingly and heavy in SP)

From what you describe, it seems to me that you didn't lose lucidity, you only lost visuals. It's not a FA (in a FA, you believe you've woken up in your bed). IMO, it looks like what Xetrov and Popov refers as a pseudo-OBE in the Do you think OBE's are LD's? thread.
Some people say that this state is more interesting than classical LD's, because you can do some spiritual stuff in it, like meditating. But I can't be a great help to you, as I haven't experienced this state up to now. sadblauw

You perhaps can find some ideas in the Advanced lucid dreaming thread. If you absolutely want to go back in a "normal" LD, you perhaps can try and rub your hands or spin (or just wait a little, doing a little mental exercice so that you don't completely lose lucidity) in order to have visuals again.


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PostPosted: Sun 26 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply, Basilus West. :)Yes, It did seem that the DC's reactions was based on my emotions. Through the whole dream I was anxious, irritated and feeling like I was being pursued. Maybe if it ever happens again I'll give the DC a big hug and kiss, not focus on trying to get rid of it and instead concentrate on increasing my lucidity.

A pseudo OBE, eh? Very cool! It's such a relaxing, floating state to be in. I'll have to research it further.


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PostPosted: Wed 29 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Hello, I would like to know if the two dreams I described here: http://www.ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=151987#15 1987
are really lucid dreams. I would copy+paste them here but it's an extremely long post.
Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu 30 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi Da_Grunt! Welcome to the forum! smile

I've read your 2 dreams, they are both lucid. In the second you seems to have already a quite good control and lucidity level. tumbsuplinkswitteduim

A dream is lucid as soon as you know you're dreaming. But generally this fact is accompanied by a sudden increase of consciousness: the dream is often more realist, and above all, you feel present in it, what differs completely from normal dreams.
So I was wondering why you weren't sure your dreams were lucid, because I'm quite convinced that you experienced all these changes (at least in the second dream).


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PostPosted: Sun 03 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

I had what could have been the beginning of my first lucid dream last night. However, my actual first lucid dream occurred when I was a little boy, perhaps 8 or 9. I remember being in a big room with a lot of people, it may have been my church. I was about to make a speech or participate in something I really didn't feel like doing, and I suddenly realized I was dreaming. Not knowing of the endless possibilities, I was simply happy to not have to do whatever it was I was going to have to do, and walked out of the room. I then woke up.

Back to last night. I went to bed around 12:30. I usually have a floor fan turned on while I sleep, but I decided to leave it off and instead try to read myself to sleep. I got a bit tired after reading for maybe ten minutes, and then relaxed. My problem is that whenever I try to sleep, I eventually see the bright lights and moving colors that are associated with HI. I then inevitably try to focus on them and have an LD through WILD, fail, and end up more restless than I was before. I'm an insomniac. overspannen Anyway, I focused on the images (one in particular seemed to be a swirling fireball that soared through the air) and eventually I started seeing a bunch of colored dots on a grey background. That image enlarged and turned into the walls of a hospital room, with a door, and, I think, a nurse. Unfortunately, I became excited and it faded away. I spent maybe fifteen minutes trying to bring it back.


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi Kashmir1342 smile

Yeah those good ol' childhood LDs.. Many people had them though only a few of them actually realized the possibilities at the time.. Usually we just wanted to wake up smile

About your dream.. You're saying it happened after you just went to bed in the evening? Combined with the fact that it developped out of HI like imagery, I'd say it was still strong hypnagogics, and no real dream yet. The first real REM cycle only appears about 90 minutes after you fall asleep, which, as I understand from your account, could not have been the circumstances here.. It's perfectly possible to become lucid during strong hypnagogics. I've had a lot of these experiences, and your account actually sounds pretty familiar. I usually see only a few blurred images, always rather dark, while my vision is usually restricted to the center (peripheral vision is black). These images are usually very fleeting and whenever you try to actively engage with them, you'll almost always disturb them and wake up as a result. It's also pretty much impossible to bring these same HI back afterwards (works better with dreams though smile ). Hope I didn't disappoint you here smile However, if you should have had these HI after about 6 hours of sleep, you might have had a chance to experience a WILD. This is because after a few hours of sleep, the bridge between waking life and dream life becomes very thin (after falling back asleep then, it usually takes only a few minutes before reentering a dream; while in the beginning of the night it takes 90 minutes as I mentioned above).

Good luck in your LD quest! :D


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The BIG "Was this a LD?" topic - Part II
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I'm hoping with all of my heart that this was a LD.

It started with me in Cook Forest, PA and I was in my cabin we stay in looking for clothes. I went over to my chest of drawers. I opened the drawer and noticed that it didn't look like the real one in the actual cabin. I said to myself, "This is a dream!" So I started flying around the room, but only got to the door. Then I was still dreaming, but it wasn't very clear. I was sitting on the floor in my sister's shirt and willing my boobs to grow bigger and to grow taller. Then I woke up and said,"Crap! I'm not lucid anymore!"

PLEASE email me or post a reply to tell me if it was lucid, half- lucid, or normal.


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PostPosted: Mon 04 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Half-lucid or lucid, but not normal, btw, U need to constantly keep ur eyes moving + rub ur hands, its for lengthening ur dream.

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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Yes I also think you were lucid. Not very highly lucid perhaps, but lucid you were wink5
By the way, I don't quite understand what you mean by "half lucid". Either you realize you're dreaming, or you don't. The boundary between non-lucid and lucid is when you really think something is definitely wrong, you may even say to yourself that you're dreaming, but you're still not AWARE of what you're truly saying. This is called prelucid, but it's still not lucid though. The main criterion to determine whether or not you were lucid is to ask yourself "in the dream, did I REALIZE I was dreaming or did I just say to myself "this is a dream" without even slightly become aware of what that means?" Genuine realization means you go from an unconscious dream puppet to a conscious, actively engaged dream participant/observer. This shift often happens unmistakably and is quite radical. Furthermore, the higher your subsequent level of lucidity, the more radically this shift will happen. Generally speaking ofcourse smile

Good luck wink5


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PostPosted: Tue 05 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

I think what he meant was low lucidity. (I call it 'semi-lucid.') You know it's a dream, but you didn't have much control. It didn't seem like it though, she seemed to be fully lucid. More control than I usually have!

Correct me if I'm wrong. smile


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PostPosted: Wed 06 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

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I think what he meant was low lucidity. (I call it 'semi-lucid.') You know it's a dream, but you didn't have much control.

Sometimes, I've had very few control in good lucidity level dreams, and good control in low level LD's. Control and lucidity level seem not to be correlated.


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I'm new here:) I always had quite average dream recall, usually remembered dream/s from every night. So when I heard about LD first I was very excited about it. Now, I wrote this journal thingy for ~4 days, and I think my first LD came! I was dreaming that I'm telling my gf about lucid dreams and that I will show her how to do it. So I fell asleep in the dream and when I entered the "false" dream I became lucid! I exactly knew I'm dreaming, I told myself how everything is so real and tried to make the dream even more vivid(it worked). There was green everywhere with raised platform and tree in center..I also moved my eyes thinking that I should move them now in bed like I read somewhere. It was great, but after some time I fell out from it, because I wasn't so lucid to realise the techniques for keeping lucidity or even controlling dream...I was just like exploring and watching.. Now I had not LD for 3 nights again so I hope my 2nd lucid dream will come very soon:)

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Jul, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi pavel ! Welcome to the forum ! welcome
And congrats on your 1st lucid dream ! bier You first had a "prelucid" dream (dreaming about dreams or LD's, without realizing you're dreaming), then it was a lucid dream when you entered the "false dream".
You didn't practice anything, just writing down your DJ and you had it in 4 days? Waw! eek2 You'll make people jealous. wink


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ok, I will tell you my dream and you can be the judge of whether its lucid or not:

So my class goes on a field trip to the moon, so I'm hopping around and I decide to do a reality check. Its not like I saw a dream sign and wanted to check whether I was dreaming or not, I just did it. When I discovered I could breath through my fingers while plugging my nose with them, I decided to ditch the moon and have some fun. I remember showing my watch to my friends, covering it up, showing it again. The numbers changed and there were symbols on it, so I proved to them that what was going on wasn't real. I also remember being back on Earth, in a school, and running through the halls screaming ' Im buzz lightyear' at the top of my lungs. I did it because I knew I wouldnt get in trouble; I was dreaming. Before the teacher could stop me, I ran outside and flew away. I wanted to go higher, so I concentrated and everything, but it didn't work. this is all I remember.

I wasnt even trying to have a lucid dream that night, and I was still at the stage of dream recall. Maybe I was having a dream about having a lucid dream. what do you guys think? help!


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