EN | NL | FR
Current Wings Quest 130
Rainbow Connection

The BIG WILD topic - Part XIV

Post new topic This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.

Author  Message 
Basilus West
Cat of Ulthar
LD4all addict
Posts: 5272
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Last Visit: 13 Aug 2014
LD count: 199
Location: At the foot of the Pyrenees
 
PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi Taipan! Yes, it was the beginning of a LD.

back to top
CastorTroy
New member
New member
Posts: 7
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
Last Visit: 04 Mar 2008
Location: Texas
 
PostPosted: Thu 10 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

so is wilding basically just
staying conscious until you dream
by
keeping your mind on something like counting or on an object?

the faster you get into REM dream, the faster you WILD?

so WILDing wouldnt be the best way to be lucid on a regular weekday for me?
(school, most sleep i get on weekday is 8 hours - usually 6)

first time you sleep, you REM after 90 minutes (right?)
so if i were to WILD, i would have to WILD for around 90 minutes. which isnt very practical. so i hear around that after 4-5 hours is a good time to WILD. even after 4-5 minutes you have to stay conscious until you REM even if its 10 minutes till REM.

i woke up earlier today knowing its been more than 4-5 hours without checking the time, so i kept conscious while returning to sleep. focusing on my body and counting and everything, i keep conscious. i stay like this for what seems to be 5-10 minutes. after that 5-10 minutes, i hear my alarm clock and immediately sit up.

does that mean i am doing it correctly?
am i on the right path?
if my mind was conscious and body asleep, would i be able to hear my alarm clock and get right up or was i just awake with my eyes closed?

last question - while WILDing, does your mind get the rest it needs from sleep?

thanks alot guys, sorry if it is long, but i need to summarize everything i know about WILD so that i make sure im getting everything correct. please correct me if im wrong anywhere


back to top
mystic
Dream Templar
LD4all addict
Posts: 2918
Joined: 24 Dec 2002
Last Visit: 16 Jan 2006
Location: Near the branch's tip
 
PostPosted: Sat 12 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi CastorTroy bye

CastorTroy wrote:
so is wilding basically just
staying conscious until you dream
by
keeping your mind on something like counting or on an object?


WILD is about remaining conscious enough during the transition from sleep to dream so that you can enter the dream consciously from the start. The counting technique is just one of the many techniques to keep your mind awake, but those techniques do not really define WILD.
The difference with DILDs is that WILDs are usually more vivid and more lucid, because there was a more or less continuous awareness from the waking state to the dream state. During DILD you become conscious after a period of unconsciousness during which you were being submitted to dream scenarios to which you solely reacted based upon unconscious impulses, expectations and associations with waking life.

Quote:
the faster you get into REM dream, the faster you WILD?


Yes, but that's entirely logical. If the bridge between waking life and dream life is very short, then you'll make the transition in a shorter time period, so if you remain conscious (meaning, if you practice WILD), you'll actually witness this shorter transition.

Quote:
so WILDing wouldnt be the best way to be lucid on a regular weekday for me?
(school, most sleep i get on weekday is 8 hours - usually 6)


You can try it (like, wake up after 4.5hrs of sleep), but in general it does work better if you can sleep for a longer time. The reason is because the longer you sleep, the thinner the gap becomes between waking life and dream life, so it becomes easier to cross that gap.

Quote:
first time you sleep, you REM after 90 minutes (right?)
so if i were to WILD, i would have to WILD for around 90 minutes. which isnt very practical. so i hear around that after 4-5 hours is a good time to WILD. even after 4-5 minutes you have to stay conscious until you REM even if its 10 minutes till REM.


Yes after 4.5 or 6hrs would be a good time. You can do it also in the evening though.. it seems that some WILDers can actually change their regular sleeping patterns and experience so-called SOREMPS (sleep onset REM periods), which are more-vivid-than-usual REM periods occuring right after falling asleep.

Quote:
i woke up earlier today knowing its been more than 4-5 hours without checking the time, so i kept conscious while returning to sleep. focusing on my body and counting and everything, i keep conscious. i stay like this for what seems to be 5-10 minutes. after that 5-10 minutes, i hear my alarm clock and immediately sit up.

does that mean i am doing it correctly?
am i on the right path?


I don't see much you might be doing wrong. However, you have to bear in mind that achieving WILD in 10 minutes is really fast, even after 4hrs of sleep. The reason is this: the longer you're awake after those 4hrs of sleep, and the more you become aware of your waking state, the greater the gap becomes between waking life and dream life, thus the more difficult it becomes to achieve an instant WILD and the longer it will take to actually achieve one. Therefore, to have a WILD in 10 minutes you can only stay awake for a very brief period, preferably even without opening your eyes; when you wake up, instantly remember to keep your eyes closed and not to move a muscle; then remember your previous dream and immediately try to reenter it through WILD. This is the fastest way to WILD. If you actually get up and become fully awake, you may afterwards find yourself trying to WILD for an hour or two without any success, even if you only stayed up for ten minutes or so. However, it can still be done, and usually goes faster if you have more experience.. but as I said, this is not really the fastest way to WILD smile

Quote:
if my mind was conscious and body asleep, would i be able to hear my alarm clock and get right up or was i just awake with my eyes closed?


Reading your description of the experience, I don't think your body was deeply asleep.. did you experience anything unusual, like numbness in your legs, vibrations going from top to bottom, sinking sensations, flashes of visual hallucinations or noises? All these sensations are signs that your body is falling asleep.
I do think however that you can hear your alarm clock going off, even if you've evolved deeply into WILD. But that also depends on the loudness of your alarm clock smile Generally though, your perception of external noises diminishes as you're going more into WILD. That's because attention shifts from outward to inward stimuli, which is necessary to make a smooth transition to the dream world.

Quote:
last question - while WILDing, does your mind get the rest it needs from sleep?


I've never heard about negative side effects. In my experience, I'm usually more refreshed after a LD, beit WILD-induced or not, when compared to a fully unconscious night.
Furthermore, I've always thought that one of the functions of sleep is about revitalization of the body, not the mind.


back to top
StEvE21
Dream Deity
Dream Deity
30
Posts: 536
Joined: 01 Sep 2005
Last Visit: 27 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
 
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Mystic, what if i forget to keep my eyes closed, but try to fall asleep right away when I WILD? Will it still take over 10 minutes?

back to top
mystic
Dream Templar
LD4all addict
Posts: 2918
Joined: 24 Dec 2002
Last Visit: 16 Jan 2006
Location: Near the branch's tip
 
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

The things I've said in my previous post are not really that fixed and there can be substantial differences between persons, especially in the details. In general I think it's true that the more contact you make with waking life if you wake up, the longer it might take to reenter the dream world through WILD. So if you open your eyes, you make contact with whatever you see in your bedroom, and this way your awareness shifts from the dream world to the waking world. It may not be much but there's a shift anyway. Whether or not that will have a big effect on your WILD attempt, I don't really know. For some people it might, while other people might not see any difference. You'll have to try it out.
Also, don't pinpoint on the 10 minutes.. some people might WILD in one minute while other people in hypothetically exactly the same sleeping-waking conditions might need 20 minutes. It all depends on your experience, your level of relaxation, the strength of your conscious connection with the dream you've just awoken from, and your general mental/physiological profile. It's different for different people and the only way to find out how it works for you is to experiment and experience smile


back to top
SpaceAlbin
Non-active Member
Lucid Initiate
28
Posts: 71
Joined: 15 Nov 2005
Last Visit: 31 Jan 2012
LD count: 13
Location: the dream lake.
 
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

The first time I tried WILD, (for real) I tried counting. And the moment I reached 100, I got the tingling feeling in my body. After that I was really uncomfortable and my eyes opened.
I then realized that I forgot to relax and my body was all tensed up!
But I wonder... What happened? Did I actually fall asleep?


back to top
SpaceAlbin
Non-active Member
Lucid Initiate
28
Posts: 71
Joined: 15 Nov 2005
Last Visit: 31 Jan 2012
LD count: 13
Location: the dream lake.
 
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I haven't read much on this topic and it might be a stupid question but I was just wondering.

back to top
Basilus West
Cat of Ulthar
LD4all addict
Posts: 5272
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Last Visit: 13 Aug 2014
LD count: 199
Location: At the foot of the Pyrenees
 
PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Spacealbin, from what you say, I suppose you were just in the deep relaxation phase. I reached this state many time, when you feel really uncomfortable. I'm quite sure it's not sleeping.

back to top
Olesia
Dream Deity
Dream Deity
32
Posts: 758
Joined: 06 Nov 2005
Last Visit: 14 Nov 2013
Location: In the snow, dancing!
 
PostPosted: Thu 17 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I can never get it quite right... either I focus too much and never fall asleep, or I don't focus enough and fall asleep too fast. I've gotten to the stage where I've felt vibrations more than once (I got that part pretty much figured out), but I can't seem to get any further than that. >_<
I figured I was too focused, so I let go a little more, let myself get a little more relaxed... and I fell asleep lol.
But hey, practice makes perfect, right? smile

Dream on. // Olesia


back to top
A-Jay
Astral Explorer
Astral Explorer
Posts: 480
Joined: 16 May 2002
Last Visit: 19 May 2007
Location: Trondheim
 
That tingling feeling
PostPosted: Fri 18 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

After having an 'accident' where a MILD turned out to be a WILD grin (read in my dream diary thread if you want to know more) I've decided to give WILD another shot. I didn't have much success with it after trying a lot to do WILD a couple of years ago. Maybe I'll manage better now that I've had a sort-of succesful WILD. But I still have a question.

When I did this WILD, I had a sort of electric feeling all over my body. I can also barely recall having that feeling when I tried to WILD years ago. It was extremely disturbing, almost painful. Now I worry that the next time I try to WILD I'll find this feeling so disturbing I won't manage to do a complete WILD. So, does anyone know how to cope with this feeling, or what mindset to use while experiencing that feeling?


back to top
Taipan
Dimension's Eye
Lucid Initiate
31
Posts: 72
Joined: 03 Oct 2005
Last Visit: 07 Feb 2006
Location: Australia, Perth
 
PostPosted: Sat 19 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Hey, whats up? (again),

I had a pretty weird experience the other night. I was at my freinds house for a 'end of exams' gathering. I had quite high amounts of beer and weed, so i was pretty intoxicated going to bed...

When everyone had fallen asleep, i decided id try WILD. I lay beck on the mattress and closed my eyes. I got into pretty intense HI in only a short time (I think i was hearing sounds as well). After a while the HI started becoming very vivid and realistic. I saw myself going through a tunnel of coloured bars. The closer i got to the dark end, the more the feeling of my body dissappeared. Im pretty sure at this point that i was experiencing SP, even though i didnt try to move as my body felt really heavy!

After a while of this, i felt my body shaking and vibrating, then a sudden rush (i think at this point i was entering a dream) but then there was a weird pulse in my hand, and i opened my eyes and looked at my hand. I didnt know where i was. I was looking at his door in the dark, it was swirling up and down. My hand had really long fingers too. I thought to myself "Im dreaming..." Then everything sort of came back into focus and i realised i wasnt dreaming.... cry

Im a bit confused to how you can see the Waking life world in an abstract fashion, even upon waking. Any comments would be sick.

- Thanks guys


back to top
sumday
New member
New member
Posts: 7
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
Last Visit: 05 Jul 2006
 
PostPosted: Sun 20 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

last night i had an experience i think some of you may find useful.

i was in hypnogogia, trying to have an astral projection. lately i've been having trouble letting my body switch off, so i've been doing excercises to keep my mind occupied so it forgets about my body.

last night i was imagining myself riding a bike. Now, i have extremely weak powers of visualisation, so you can imagine my surprise when all of a sudden i found myself riding a bike inside an extrememly vivid, colorful, detailed world. I instantly knew i was dreaming. So i did the usual things i'd expect myself to do inside a lucid dream (yep, flying. does that ever get boring?).

here's an excerpt from my dream journal.

"i remember that every time i tried to look at myself (which i did twice before the dream stopped) i would feel very much like the dream could end at any second. like looking at myself was weakening the dream world. then when i looked back up at the world, it was less vivid than it was before for a few moments, but eventually it went back to normal.

It was as though my brain can't imagine what i would have looked like inside this dream world.

i also remember touching things(most notably, someone's head), and actually feeling them. the touching sensation was similar to the real world, but not quite the same. it's very tough to describe. but the way things felt, the sensations i got from touching things, felt fractured and fleeting. and possibly dulled a bit. like the touch sensation was a memory in itself"

My WILD was completely unintentional. I knew what a WILD is beforehand, but i wasn't conciously trying to have one. I think that may be where my success stemmed from. The two times i've managed to have astral projections, i wasn't consciously trying to have astral projections at the time.

anyway, it was my first WILD and probably my 5th or 6th Lucid Dream overall. And i enjoyed it alot!

keep on dreamin'


back to top
Lina
beginner dreamer.
Novice dreamer
Posts: 44
Joined: 01 Nov 2005
Last Visit: 27 May 2009
Location: FL
 
PostPosted: Mon 21 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

I've been having problems "diving in" to WILDs. I've been trying these past few weeks with no luck. The only stage I can easily reach is making my body feel alseep. Another time I managed to get the "electric current" feeling people talk about, but recieved no HH. What am I doing wrong? Am I too conscious or not relaxed enough in my head? Because my body is certainly relaxed. At times it feels like I try too hard and my eyes strain.
Any help is appreciated.


back to top
StEvE21
Dream Deity
Dream Deity
30
Posts: 536
Joined: 01 Sep 2005
Last Visit: 27 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
 
PostPosted: Tue 22 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

last night I tried WILD without WBTB seriously for the first time. I know that it takes about 90 min. to enter the REM stage. I started at 10:30 with a 30 minute binaural beat mp3. after what felt like over 90 minutes, i lost all the feeling in my body except for my mouth and a small part of my chest. i gave up, and i saw it was about 11:40. This is the farthest I have gone in WILD without WBTB, but even after 80 minutes and a binaural beat to help me relax I still did not get ANY HH. help!

back to top
dream_on1623
New member
New member
Posts: 2
Joined: 27 Nov 2005
Last Visit: 07 Dec 2005
Location: Fargo ND
 
PostPosted: Mon 28 Nov, 2005  Reply with quote

Hey everyone. now I am not sure what you might consider this as. but sometimes when I am going to sleep I will try to do the wild tech. and I will feel like I was dreaming for a little bit, but totally got snapped out of it. and then when I would look at a clock it wouldnt be that much later than when I went to bed. was I actually dreaming? and is it possible to go into a wild in like 20 min? thanks

back to top
Display posts from previous:
Post new topic This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.

print  

All times are GMT + 2 Hours
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB
LD4all ~ spreading the art and knowledge of lucid dreaming online since 1996 ~